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*takes away Char's fireplace poker*

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*looks reproachfully at the dog*

Killjoy!

And Loz? You've extended your spite towards Hellpuppy now?

What spite Char? What are you referring to? I understood from your posts that you repeatedly have claimed to have no issue with me whatsoever! Is that not so, now? Or is it that you are I imposing yourself into a conversation between myself and HP to make sure you continue to have his support? Mmm. It all comes out in the end doesn't it?

HP I meant you no offence, nor do I take any issue with your stance as to faith and/or versus religion, I merely defend others' right here to abstain from them, based on scripture.

If some resent that some of us claim, quite rightly, to belong to Christ, as part of His body, that, I'm afraid, is their problem. No need for the works of the flesh like envy and strife. Go to Him yourself and ask Him, the invitation is still open for all, as Shelby repeatedly assures.

Loz x

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What JM just said above.

The death and resurrection of Christ does not mean that everyone is automatically saved. One must put faith in Him, for that to mean anything for them.

Do you disagree with the above, Char? Because the above is what Shelby, and Leaving before Shelby, have said in this thread.

Peace,
tammy

John Chapter 13 is a beautiful chapter.

It contains Jesus washing the feet of his disciples
It contains Jesus telling Judas to do what he must do
It contains Jesus giving the new commandment of love
It contains Jesus saying that the servent is not greater than his lord
It contains that by that new commandment of love that all shall know they are his disciples.
It contains Jesus telling Peter what he will do three times.
It contains love and forgiveness and understanding


A Teacher can be known by their students.
The behavior of the student reflects upon the teacher.
Thus I can also learn about God and Jesus through all his disciples.

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We are saved by his death and resurrection. Faith is important, but even more important is humility. Of the two men in prayer, one saying "thank God I am not as other men are" and one saying "Lord have mercy on me, a sinner", Jesus made it very clear which one was favoured by God.

Alongside faith, humility and constant penitence are every bit as important, but it is Jesus Christ's sacrificial death and resurrection that have the saving power.

I cannot be offended

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The death and resurrection of Christ does not mean that everyone is automatically saved. One must put faith in Him, for that to mean anything for them.

Yes Tec, it's the VALUE of the sacrifice that requires our faith.

Loz x

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I am a bit confused as to this separation of faith in Jesus and his crucifixion?
Again I assume faith in Jesus is to also acknowledge his sacrifice for us.

Unless this is a new topic of wondering if faith in Jesus is not required to enter heaven? That his sacrifice was for all regardless of belief? In that case all will be saved even those who turn their backs upon him. That is actually a very beautiful thought.

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Perhaps to a point. If a student does not do as his teacher did and instructed, then you are only learning about the student. We, the students, mess up all the time, don't listen, do our own thing, are sinful, get distracted, misunderstand, misapply, can be misled by other things/people we listen to, etc.

I would not want anyone looking at ME, to learn about Christ and God... but only at Christ, to learn about God. Christ is the Image and Truth.... definitely not me, lol!


You might be able to learn somewhat (though this is imperfect as well) about who (what teacher/image/etc) a student is listening TO, by what they do. Though mostly, I think one can only tell if someone has not listened to Christ, by going against His teaching (word and deed), most especially seen by going against love. That does not mean that person does not belong to Him, but they could have made a mistake, sinned, got distracted, listened to someone else, etc. We are all imperfect.


As for this forum, anyone may bring up anything they choose from any source that they choose... but not without expecting it to be tested. This IS what we are instructed to do. Test the inspired expressions. Now if we have love for Christ, then that love can surpass our differences. We can forgive, and allow ourselves to be wronged, rather than to wrong others. The one thing that we are commanded to give one another... is love.

That does not mean we lie about Christ or God, just to preserve the peace. Because then that peace is built upon a lie. But we can act and treat one another... in love... as we are asked to do. Love covers a multitude of sins.


Peace,
tammy

*stares at Tec*

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I'm not sure that answered the question that i asked, Char. (two questions, i guess)

Do you think that the death and resurrection automatically saved everyone? Or is one required to exercise faith in Christ for that to mean anything for them?

Peace,
tammy

*runs away screaming*




Peace,
tammy

Don't you just love the way Loz and gang claim for themselves the right to call themselves "the body"? Because what she's saying here is that 1. She and her clique comprise the Body of Christ and 2. That she and the same clique...and remember who that includes...never want to win a point and are never spiteful!

Wonderful what blinkers and a pair of rose-coloured mirror-spectacles will do, isn't it?! Loz, never spiteful!

*Wipes tears from eyes* ROFL! Please excuse my mirth.
Killjoy!
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I wonder Char, if you have any idea what posts such as the above tell people about the person posting such? Not nice, truly. Not nice.

Loz x

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