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Yes.



I hear Christ... the Spirit of Truth. He is Spirit, and He is Truth = Spirit of Truth, who is the Holy Spirit.


Peace,
tammy

Chariklo wrote:

Because, after all, they talk to "the Christ" or "the Spirit within " them in their heads, though none of them really know if the voice each hears says the same as to the others.

Can i really be the only one here who sees no sign whatsoever that this voice has any chance of being good, let alone from Jesus Christ?
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Dear dear Char, good morning...

Now why would you make this statement when we have shared with you how one " does test the inspired utterances to see if they originate with God."

Isn't this what the bible says, that there are inspired (spirit) utterances that need to be tested ?
So according to what is written there are spirits that can utter? Or I will guess to say this means speak as well to us?

But to answer your second question.....you MIGHT BE the " only one" or close to it that sees that this voice ( CHRIST speaking) cannot be anything good coming from Christ by means of Spirit.

Because remember your " formal way of worship" does not even TEACH you or a billion people that God communicates through His son to His sheep.


And to ask you , what makes you think we do not believe and have faith in the saving grace afforded by the power of the resurrection? ( your words)


Love ya
Justmom

HP good morning

I agree as well with this!

And yes, I do hear the CHRIST as well, he is the" only truth", And the "only way" to the father.

Love Justmom

P.s. and just to continually mention, it is not exclusive to just me or a " three".
It is open, free and he calls out to anyone who wants it my friend! That is part of the beauty of this good news of the kingdom.

There are many besides Char that question people who hear a voice. They just aren't members of this forum

Having said that I think that some here are over generalizing the RCC based upon limited experience with their practices and the way they educate Catholics.

Also nitpicking sentences that are typed and using people's words in past posts out of context and against them needs to stop because its just silly. This is directed towards both sides of this feud it's like the Hatfields and McCoy. There is a palpatable air of wanting to win and not wanting to share experiences going on now. People are just being spiteful. Goading people to react is manipulative. Hiding behind the excuse of "I'm only defending myself" is a lie when the defense also contains a veiled attack.

Nobody should believe that they are being smooth and subtle. We aren't stupid or naive here ;P What did Jesus say to Peter when Peter asked him how many times must he forgive a brother that has sinned against him?

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Just and Tec I know you both share the gift of hearing God's voice My aim is not to disprove that. If God chooses to speak to you both there must be a reason and that reason is personal. That God does not speak to others means that there is also a reason for that. Perhaps they don't need to hear his voice whereas you do. I won't say that it's a problem on their end as I don't see the issue of not hearing God's voice to be a problem. It's not that they don't try hard enough or have enough faith or any other reason I can think of. It's just that God touches people in different ways. Perhaps he is using me to speak to them ;P

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I did not think that you meant to prove or disprove anything, Pup ; ) Just wanted to answer your question.

I think the thing is... I heard long before I recognized that I heard Him. That has been the experience of everyone I know who also admit to hearing Him. Even Char also said that she remembers hearing Him, at least once. So for me to state that He only speaks to a chosen few would be in error on my behalf. It is more that most people do not recognize Him, yet. Some never do, perhaps being told by whatever authorities they trust, that such a thing is impossible (or crazy, or a lie, etc), so that some do not even allow for the possibility of such a thing.

Now whether someone accepts that or not, is not up to me, and I do not judge anyone for their choice one way or the other. Nor can I, or would I even want to, force someone to believe something that I share. One should always go to Christ, to know the truth, and that too is their choice.


Peace,
tammy

I understand Pup how you feel. Thank you for sharing how you feel.

It's just that when everything that is written that most profess to have faith in ( if they don't hear and need what is written) says.....anyone CAN ....HEAR, then those that don't, can't, maybe not even want to...need to understand that it still does not change for those that do hear.

And where it seems to be a conflict is that then if certain ones don't hear the same way others do, then they feel you must not hear at all the WAY you do.
Feeling god through all things, experiencing his love is awesome indeed! But there still is a difference between this, and actual hearing his personal voice through the Son.
Individuals can choose whatever way they want, but I still personally cannot deny the way he does communicate with me.

That's all!

And I understand why so many may not have faith that he can!
The WTBS along with the RCC doesn't teach this. Neither do most organized structures religiously.
Because surely " hearing" would be the best way to cut out " the middle-man"

You mentioned maybe others don't need to hear his voice whereas I do!
Yes maybe this is true. Because of where I have come out of as in the WTBS, and because of the warnings in the bible as to false prophets, false Christs and those that would play our mediator and mislead us calling themselves the truth of CHRIST...for me it is imperative that I hear him. I cannot trust anyone or any other entity again!


But agreed to disagree, no hurt feelings.
Love Justmom

And at some point, agreeing to disagree, as you have said, Pup, is valid.

Peace,
tammy

I don't see any of the body wanting to 'win' or beings spiteful. On the contrary, people have gone to extraordinary lengths to appease, over a long period of time. Currently though, some very negative assertions are being made by one who may feel their 'religion' is being challenged. It isnt personal, its because we focus on 'truth', from the Truth. I don't see you having an issue with many of those assertions HP, and I must confess, that's baffling, considering your latest reprimanding post. Are you a moderator here? If so, I've missed that, sorry, I hadn't detected neutrality from you.

As Tec and JustMom have commented, those of us who hear aren't judging any who don't, for whatever reason. Speaking personally, whilst I knew that Christ (and not God, but His son), was interacting with me as the Holy Spirit, quite definitely, it's taken me quite a while to discern His 'voice'. We are all unique individuals with our unique understandings. This forum however, offers 'non religious spirituality' which attracts those of us who see the danger of involvement with man made religions, as recorded in the scriptures. We aren't saying anything that one wouldn't expect, by coming here.

Everyone has to make their own choices in their worship. None want to judge. By challenging others though, some open themselves up to challenges in return. The scriptures offer definitive guidance, it isn't wicked to use them, that's what they are for. So that those who sincerely want to, can get it right according to truth. The phrase has been used previously, 'if you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen' and it certainly applies here.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I try to dabble as little as I can. I am just a Yppup

As for the Truth. It will be said that Jesus is the Truth. I will comment that there are many ways to that truth. I've often seen the saying "the truth about the truth" in JW circles. Faith is what makes us believe that we are part of the Truth. Some who were in the JW system have discovered that what they believed to be the Truth was not the truth but a skewed representation of such. We may find that we are once again in that same cycle.

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No, Armand. Of course Jesus Christ's name was Jesus. of course Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Our Redeemer and Saviour, did not tell Shelby his name is Jeheshua . The voice in Shelby's head told her his name was Jeheshua and that he is Christ. Such a very, very big difference.

As to everything else you say, well, really, really not...you've bought into a load of nonsense, I'm afraid. Up to you whether you believe it or not, but seriously, don't try to tell the rest of the world that it's so, or be like Loz and call it truth.....er....Truth? The Truth?

Now, where have we heard that before?

And Loz? You've extended your spite towards Hellpuppy now?

What's the poor dog ever done to you? *sigh* *shrug*

I'm just posting this quote from Shelby a couple of pages back, especially to help those who profess themselves shocked at my suggestion that Shelby doesn't acknowledge the saving grace of Christ's death and resurrection, in other words that we are saved by his death and resurrection ( this specially for Armand who seemed to balk at the term "saving grace". Grace, Armand, is what all ordinary Christians call God's merciful enabling help in the form of what JW's call "under served kindness", but the term acknowledges the many different form such grace may take, such as enabling grace, sanctifying grace, healing grace, saving grace etc.)

Anyway, this quote will show that yes, Shelby did indeed say exactly what I said. She believes we are saved by our faith. I rarely say something that is not based on pure fact, which I do know and understand may be uncomfortable for those who prefer to trust their own inner voice. I understand that.

The Kitchen saying, who does it apply to?

It is possible that I have been mistaken in my approach to this forum. I interpreted non religious Christian spirituality to mean that denominations and belief systems did not matter here. That all were welcome to put in their input and that we are all above compartmentalizing each person according to their style of faith. I did not realize that religious institutions were to be vilified here. That because they are of man that they are not valid. My neutrality is that I accept all faiths as valid. Be they non organized, Christian, Catholic, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Agnostic, Atheist, etc. I cannot subscribe to the my way is the right way mode of thought. That right there may automatically place me in the biased corner. This is just me Yes I have reprimanded and I do so in the name of civility and friendship. I see God in everybody and I learn about God by the actions of others.

As I stated in a prior post I am neither naive nor am I blind to what occurs here. It may be that I am projecting. If so then the fault is my own. What I see is constant butting of heads. And btw, I accept your apology

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Loz wrote



Don't you just love the way Loz and gang claim for themselves the right to call themselves "the body"? Because what she's saying here is that 1. She and her clique comprise the Body of Christ and 2. That she and the same clique...and remember who that includes...never want to win a point and are never spiteful!

Wonderful what blinkers and a pair of rose-coloured mirror-spectacles will do, isn't it?! Loz, never spiteful!

*Wipes tears from eyes* ROFL! Please excuse my mirth.