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One of the things that characterise the writings of some here is the consistent us of the first person possessive pronoun when talking of Christ.

Several of you, those adhering most closely to Shelby's Christology, consistently say "My Lord" instead of the more normal inclusive "Our Lord" or "The Lord".

Obviously this insistence is for a reason, but I have no idea what that reason could be. Jesus Christ came to save us all. He is not the personal possession of anyone, though he is certainly the personal Saviour of everyone, all who choose to follow Him and potentially everybody.

It jars and puzzles me every time I see it.

I think those that do that, and I do it at times myself, do it to emphasize the PERSONAL nature of the relationship we are suppose to have with Christ.
Yes, He is OUR Lord, but before He can be OURS He must be MINE, if He isn't mine than he can only be yours.
Know what I mean?

Yes, I'm aware of that, Paul, and we can all do that sometimes, yet it's very unusual to find people doing it consistently, to the extent that in a conversation, a response to someone using "our" or "this" is to reply with "my".

It feels as though there must be a reasoning process behind it, and I'd just really like to hear from those who do follow this practice exactly why they do, in preference to the more usual mode of speech.

It's a bit like "Christ" and "the Christ". Using the definite article is normal in New Age circles, but not the practice at all among the many Christians, Catholic and Protestant, in my wide acquaintance. I am aware, of course, that Christ means Messiah.

I just find it puzzling, just as I am puzzled by the distaste for using the name Jesus or Jesus Christ. I know Shelby says he told her. I just do wonder, given that we are not required to speak in ancient Hebrew.

Good morning dear Char,

I would like to share a couple things as to your question as to why " I" personally say "My lord" On many occasions.

Paul touched on part of this by the fact that my relationship is truly personal as well.
So personal that I feel comfortable calling him " MY Lord ." My faith is that those that truly belong to CHRIST as part of HIS BODY are in a union with him by means of Holy Spirit therefore becoming " one flesh " with him. It is a marriage covenant arrangement promised to ME as my husband and me as His bride, therefore he is MY husband and MY lord.

Although this promise and invitation is not just for me but for any who continually seek him and our found by him.

Thomas is referred to as saying in John 20: 28 when CHRIST showed him the nails in his hands
" My Lord and MY God!"

Another factor that comes in to why I may refer to him as " The CHRIST"
Is that I refer to this one as the Holy one of Israel, the son of Jah who is Most holy and the father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
This is because we are cautioned as to " many false Christs" and " false messiahs" that would come in His NAME!
This identifies Him to me as my true lord and savior Jaheshua MischaJah. The true annointed and only- begotten Son of Jah.

Hope this helps explain why I do this, but again this is for me personally and not all will agree. Understandable!
Love to you anyways, thank you for asking Char
Justmom

What both dear P and dear 'Mom stated, dear Char (the greatest of love and peace to you, all!). Also, depending on what I'm posting... or hearing... I am sometimes so "in union" that I don't want him to view my comment as abstract or me considering him anything LESS that my Lord to ME. So, when I use it, I am most often not even thinking of the audience but of MY relationship with him.

Perhaps you can see it as when, say, during medieval times, one servant goes to another or others to relate something he/she was told by the lord of the house. She/he MIGHT say, "Our lord/master said to me..." and then relate what it was. She/he might ALSO say, though, "MY lord/master said to me...".

When relating what he'd heard to others, David referred to Christ as "my Lord" (Psalm 110:1)

As did Elizabeth, when speaking to Mary (Luke 1:43) (rather than as "our Lord", which he certainly was for both)...

So did Mary the Magdalene, when asked by the two angels in my Lord's tomb why she was crying (John 20:13) (and he was certainly THEIR Lord, too)...

And so did Paul, in his letter to the Philippians, whose Lord he also was and is (Philippians 3:8).

The HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) is not just an idea or construct of an idea to me, dear one. He is real (as I know he is to you, as well)... and alive (as I know you believe also)... and speaks. Because of this, of being in union with him and KNOWING him, I do consider him MY Lord... while also knowing that he is others' Lord, as well. Certainly, he is Lord for many here, as well as mine.

I hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

I understand where you are coming from.
I think that at times people fall into a comfort in using words and names in a certain way BUT I do caution former JW's to realize that they "used" to do the same with the name Jehovah and I hope that they are not doing the same with any other name they have chosen to give "special meaning".
It is not Christ's name that distinguishes Us from anyone, it is what Christ has DONE for US.
I understand you issues with what, at times, appears to be a "distaste" for the Name Jesus, almost the same distaste that some former JW"s have for the term Jehovah. All I can say is that we ALL find comfort in form and for some that form is a routine of worship, for others a name and for others tradition.
Let all be convinced in their own conscience.
Seems I have been using that a lot as of late...

Yes, ma'am, he did (again, peace to you, dear sister!).



Perhaps not, but I would personally consider it rude to call, say, dear Paul (peace to you, as well), "Pablo"... when he's made it known to me that he PREFERS "Paul." I mean, I COULD refer to him as "Pablo" when in the presence of some who, say, speak Spanish and either don't know his preference... or don't care that he has one. Because that's what THEY want. But what kind of friend would I be to him if I did that? Who should I be MORE concerned with pleasing? Him and so call him by what HE prefers to be called? Or others, and so call him by what THEY prefer to call him... or feel more comfortable with?

I personally think that love would dictate I should be more concerned with what he wants. I mean, if I'm saying I love him.

But that's just me and how I think. I've often shared that I don't think "like" most folks, so if you can, you'll have to forgive me for thinking "like" I do. I realize my tact is not "diplomatic," but I am not trying to BE diplomatic, other than as to him and HIS preference. And so I don't care what OTHERS call him/refer to him as; I am just looking out as to what I do.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you, luv!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

Good morning, Char.

I think I have used both 'my Lord' and 'our Lord' at various times; though more often 'my lord'. I do not mean to imply that I think He is my personal possession. Or that He is exclusive to me, and not yours or anothers' Lord.


I do say 'my lord' for the same reasons others have listed above... but also so as not to presume to speak for anyone else. If He is your lord, then you know it, just as I know it when someone else says 'my Lord'. (I have had a complaint before about using an umbrella 'our', when someone did not want to be included in that 'our'... not from anyone on this forum, btw!)

But I most certainly do not mean to imply to you or anyone else that He is mine and not yours or anothers'.

Peace and love to you,
tammy

Shelby, if and when He asks me not to use the name known to most of the world, I shall of course oblige. However, he has not made that request save to a few, and I have to say, therefore, that until he makes that clear request to all, I shall continue to use what I know to be his name.

In the meantime, it just isn't enough that you say this is what He wants. If you're convinced, good for you. For those who will do as you say, whatever you say, if they're convinced, great for them. If I am proved wrong, I shall be the first to admit it. But I do not see that this is what he wants. I see that you say this is what he wants. That's different.

Tammy, thank you for your answer and I had no thought that you meant anything amiss.

All your answers are fine as far as they go. But I think there's more to consider. The JW's carry with them a sense of superiority and exclusiveness. They think they are going to be saved by Jehovah, and many seem unmoved by the fact that billions of other people will, in their view, be wiped away by a God whom they nonetheless describe as just and loving.

This doctrine is an affront to the intelligence and in reality a blasphemy against our loving Father in Heaven. It's also very very silly, as well as deeply repellent in the way its adherents see themselves as a chosen few.

The danger of falling in with any code or practice that continues that exclusivist way of thinking is that it denies the love the Father holds for his children. Jesus, who seeks out the lone sheep who strays into danger, would have nothing to do with such a them and us attitude. He emphasised time and again how he came for the poor and rejected. Those who set themselves up as a specially favoured group may well find a rude awakening ahead of them.

Good evening Char...

I realize your response was to Tammy but I would like to mention something on behalf of your comment here my sister.

You know I... DO KNOW and understand how I viewed the world of mankind outside of the WTBS for most of my life and yes the " exclusiveness" of this name Jehovah as to referring only to those of us that would be saved.
And for this today I have openly admitted I am ashamed of the way that I believed in trusting " in them."

But since I have heard the call of my Lords voice to " come out of her" and to... Come to Him, belong to Him, be joined to Him as His body and allow Holy Spirit to lead me, for this...he IS my Lord. He is who saved me from that entity that professed to be " the truth", denying people entry into an open " new covenant for life" when " He is the truth."

Because I am so grateful of this and the love, patience and mercy he continues to show me, I cannot help but love him as my Lord.
In no way do I intend it to be exclusive only to me. I understand some may feel that way if they are not comfortable calling Him " their Lord " but he still is very personal to me. I owe him everything,

Just my thoughts
Love Justmom

Of course, you will, dear Char (as always, peace to you, dear one!). I have ABSOLUTELY no doubt as to that. And that's all I and some others are doing.



And you are more than welcome to, luv. Keep in mind, though, that no one took issue with your... or others'... use of the name "Jesus." YOU asked... as to others calling him "my Lord" and/or using the name given US. Yes?



(Smile) I think I've said that many times, dear one. Unfortunately, until they hear it from him for themselves... some take issue with me for saying that. Even opposing my doing so. Yes?



I am sure you mean that.



Dear Char... THIS is what I mean, what I am referring to when I point out your treatment of dear Loz (peace to you, as well!)... what you seem to have a problem "seeing" and so keep responding to with "What? Who, ME?" Why do YOU take issue when I mention YOUR lack of faith... yet, YOU decry the faith of OTHERS... and so continue to take potshots at their faith, all while maintaining that, no, you really have no issue and are just "innocently" inquring/commenting?

Your comment was totally unnecessary, let alone in error. But I have no doubt you will respond with another, "What? I didn't do what you say. You're imagining things, Shelby." Why not give THEM credit for their own faith... rather than falsely accusing them, insinuating that they are lying as to their faith... and following ME... versus following Christ... whom THEY say they hear? What can't you give THESE the benefit of the doubt that LOVE says you SHOULD? You want me/us/folks to believe you are a woman of faith. Yet, you have made so many statement that DENY your professed faith. Then, you turn around and make untoward implications as to the faith of others, all but openly accusing THEM of lying about theirs.

What is UP with that? THAT is why I have commented to you as I have recently. What you say as to ME... is NOT what you say as to THEM. WHY??



And you won't be the first... or probably the last... dear one. I was wrong: I told folks His name was "Jehovah." And I was CONVINCED of that "truth." And then... So I was proved wrong... and I openly admitted that to those to whom I took that name... as well as apologized and asked for their forgiveness. And I was wrong after that... as regards "Jesus." So what? We are ALL wrong, dear Char... at some point or another.



Then continue as you are. I take no issue with that. I don't "correct" you and say, "Oh, no, dear Char, that's the wrong name!" I let you call on whomever you choose. YOU... have a problem with the name I use and call on... and what I call that one ("my Lord"). Yet, David, Elizabeth, Paul... and I am sure others... did the very same thing, in front of others whose Lord he was, too. Where is your issue with THEM?



It is. But as I have shared with you... many times... you do NOT have to take MY word for it. So I am truly confused as to why you take an ISSUE with what I "say" on the matter. Have you not enough faith to go... and ask... for YOURSELF? If not... is that MY fault? If it isn't... why are you asking ME? Why DON'T you just go to HIM... and ask HIM what he wishes to be called? Only you can answer that, dear Char.

And I hope you do... AND that you DO exercise the faith you say you have... and go to HIM.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

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