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this thread is a bit of a shock to the system. I just noticed it yesterday, had not been following it and then saw it had many pages so peeked in.

Yup! It's shocking, Zoe!

I'm off to bed. It's not the goodnight thread but hey...let's see what happens overnight!

Strange (and ironic, given you admonishments) comment, given what the verse states, dear Sab (again, peace to you):

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen."

But, okay, I'm the one worshipping and serving what's been created... rather than the Creator. And no voice in my head (and I'm always surprised when someone who is not IN my head says this - shows they've no idea... in spite of their claims...)



Conjecture... and false at that. But whatever floats your boat, dear Sab.



I am going to apologize to ANYONE who thinks I've browbeaten them... as to ANY matter. I am blunt, forthright, yes. But, save you, I am unaware of a single person here who thinks I have done so. As for others elsewhere, I admit, I may have slapped someone back... but not before asking THEM to stop hitting ME, indeed, to leave me be. As I have (kindly) asked of you. Like them, though, you can't bring yourself to do that. Why not, dear Sab? Why am I even on your radar? I have left them (alone)... and have no problem leaving you (alone) as well. Yet, you obviously can't handle that. You NEED me to "acknowledge" and "accept" what you believe... and some others do. Why is that, exactly? What difference does it make to YOU... WHAT I believe... and why??



When is truth unjust, dear one? Someone commented that God had "told" her something. Which I absolutely READILY accept. But qualified it with some other words. Which words negated the first part of the comment. I get that neither you nor she can see that... and I apologized for my choice of words (which were accurate, but while all things may be lawful, they're not always advantageous).



Which is truth. You are pummeling because you believe I pummeled another (which I don't think I did at all, but simply asked questions and then proferred the answer). That's hypocrisy. And you wish me to take credit FROM my Lord and FOR myself. Which makes you a tool of the one who wishes me to do so (which isn't you, I know... and I am truly sorry you ARE being used in this way... but your anger, which you weren't able to get the master over... has allowed it. You couldn't forgive... and so you simply played into his hands. And I am sorry for that.).



I do my best and will continue to do my best in this regard, dear Sab. NOW will you leave me be, please?



Well, now, that can depend on what you're wearing at the time, luv. Or what you're made of. If you're wearing polyester, well, you might just go up in flames and pretty quickly. If you're wearing asbestos, well, you might get a little singe here or there, but mostly you'd be okay. If you're made of fire, though, well, you're probably just burn a little more... and brighter. I mean, fire's not necesssarily a BAD thing.

Of course, if you're a phoenix, even though you may combust... you will rise... again... LOLOLOLOL!

Okay, so NOW can we be "free" of one another? I heard you, at least as to "beating" other slaves (which I truly don't believe I did, but that's irrelevant). I will try to be, well, I dunno, actually. Less myself? Not sure I can do that, so I'm not sure what I can do except maybe limit my interchanges to those who can accept me as me. And you know what, that's really a pretty good idea, now that I think of it. That would greatly limit OUR interchanges after this, though, so... I hope you can handle that.

I am nothing, dear Sab... and should be nothing to you. Please, LET me be nothing to you? Please, don't worry yourself about my faith, my God, my Christ, my beliefs, anything "about" me any longer? Please, show YOUR love for me... and let me be. Walk YOUR talk, luv.

My peace remains.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

No, that would have been me, dear Char (again, peace to you!)... and I don't deny it. If you care to read what dear Sab suggests I should "do" you will see why I consider him such. If you don't, no worries - I really can't care. Sadly, I don't think the outcome he's seeking is what's going to result, though. He's on the wrong forum... and among the wrong folks... for that.

I did read your response regarding your comment as to God "telling" you something. I started to respond... and was stopped, sorry. It's not important, really; I made my point... and that's sufficient.

Peace to you, my dear!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA, who doesn't "speak" out of both sides of her mouth and will readily and openly admit she "stated" something... when she did and it is/was true...

LOL... I guess i would be one of the few (though certainly not the only) who does not find this thread to be shocking at all, considering past exchanges between certain people.


Christ speaks. He has a voice. He teaches, He speaks. If one is speaking on their own authority, then perhaps you've hit upon the truth and perhaps you have not. There is the Truth to go to, in order to know the difference, however.

Because man has been speaking on his own authority for how long now? How else do we get various religions and contradictions in those religions... if not by man's own authority?

Christ is not divided... so God is not divided. But man IS so divided. So why follow man?

Follow the One who is the Truth.

It is not difficult and complex, and it is not a thousand different paths to choose from.

One Truth. One Christ. One God.

Listen to CHRIST.

Certainly do not listen the ones who are trying to lead you away from Christ, or to themselves. I mean, do so if you want to, or if you want to be led away from Christ... but not if you want to go TO Him.

One Truth. One Christ. One God.

Many... many... false christs and lies and gods.

And we can all go right back to the means of testing the 'inspired expression' to help us determine what is from Christ and so God... and what is not.


I, personally, will not listen to another's voice over Christ. No one else is Truth. No one else is Life. No one else is the Image and Word of God.

Jaheshua, however, the Holy Spirit and Christ... DOES speak and DOES teach. He is not a figment of imagination. He IS alive; He DOES speak.


It is a puzzle to me how anyone can say that listening to the Spirit (even with love as a test) is unreliable, and it might just be listening to the person, themselves... but actually listening to man (such as leaders of religion, or science, or atheists, or whatever) and what he/they determines God wants or says, somehow IS reliable.


Anyway, everyone will choose what path they follow. Many disciples followed Him at the start of His ministry on earth, and many turned away from Him the moment He taught something that went against what they understood (or had been taught to understand)... as being true. Instead of listening to HIm... who is Truth.


If you want the Truth... the Truth God sent for us TO hear and listen TO... well, that Truth of God (word, image, life, truth)... is Christ.


Peace and love to all,

tammy

Yes, I will go. I didn't plan on posting here again, but you were abusing Char and I felt compelled to action. I hope that others follow my lead in this regard in my absence. Without a check you rampage around like a loony Tasmanian Devil.

-Sab

PS: Something to keep in mind, friend. While in the Palace of God if you get comfortable enough to put your feet up, God will have a child knock them to the floor.

Now, Shel, that is really naughty. On two counts. Firstly, given that you are clearly talking about me, you should say so. This business of saying "someone" rather than naming a person is kind of weird, sort of passive-aggressive, which doesn't sit well at all.

Secondly, you asked me to explain why I had qualified a statement as I had. I spent some time in replying to your question. You sought an explanation. I gave it to you. You appear to have ignored it, and you have reiterated the same baseless accusation.

I've just read your latest post, which was posted as I was writing this. Actually, Shelby, you say it isn't important, but it IS in fact important. I thoroughly dislike being called into doubt, asked to explain something, going to lengths to oblige at the expense of something else I really ought to have been doing and then not only having that explanation ignored but the same accusation being repeated. And then see you saying it doesn't matter.

It really won't do.

Tec, yes, Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no man comes to the Father except through him. Relying on one's own subjective experience as the sole means of interpreting him is to run into trouble, and thinking that is sufficient is truly an error. Paul didn't write to isolated individuals. Paul wrote to groups of Christians who were all in touch with and supported, even at some distance, by the apostles. The beginnings of the early Church.

Yes, it's good to learn about Christ and yes, it's good to talk with him and listen to his voice however one perceives it, but not exclusively individually, cutting oneself off from other Christians. It was clearly never meant to be so, and it's a way that ultimately leads to mistakes.

No need to take my word for it, and you won't anyway, but eventually, one day, you will realise the truth of what I say, and may then perhaps remember this.

Was the original question or comment that this thread was created for answered?

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Bastards! Y'all gonna force me to read every post ;P hang on

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Yes, it was answered, but then it spiraled into something that one can hopefully have good humor over. Probably best to let it all drop at this point. You can probably skip pages 3-8.

If Puppy is reading all the pages in the thread he's going to be gone for some time, like Captain Oates.

See you in the morning, Pup! Bed for me...yes, really, this time! Do I see smileys back?

No.....

There it is take her or leave her. I don't hold to the "false scribes" theory as that makes everything suspect but this is just her opinion. Take her messages from God as fact or as fiction.

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No, let's keep it real and stick to the TRUTH here: I didn't ask you to go (but that is entirely your choice, of course, if that's what YOU wish) but just leave ME be... as to your "Elohim" and what "he" wants for ME. I don't want it, luv, so you now don't have to worry whether you have something to share with me in that regard.



Of course, you didn't. Doesn't matter whether you did or didn't, dear Sab. You are more than welcome to post here. You were more than welcome to share your concern and position regarding your POV of my comments to dear Char. I have NO problem accepting "counsel" of that nature. And while I might disagree with it, I'm not above RECEIVING it... or apologizing sincerely... particularly to mend fences and/or keep the peace.

What I would LIKE you to do is not address ME, directly, re Elohim or your other understandings. I have gone on record to say that you NO LONGER NEED TO with regard to ME. If you wish to post such generally, by all means, feel free to do so. Or, if we are engaging in a discusion about such things. I don't think you have to concern yourself about the latter, though. As I posted to King Solomon, Dave Perez, AND you: no... thank... you.



I can receive that you (and dear Char) may have taken it that way. And, again, I apologize for, as dear LQ (peace to you!) pointed out, the words "lack of faith" may have been taken one way, although meant another. I apologized for that... AND corrected the statement. I seems it was sufficient for dear Char... and that's really the only person I would be concerned about.



Okay, whoa. C'mon... I know you have visions of internet forum "leadership," but you don't have that privilege here, luv. Perhaps another site will grant you such privileges, but I can't see that happening HERE any time soon. So, YOUR "absence" really is irrelevant, as much as that truth may cause you chagrin. You are MORE than welcome, you and the "emissaries", to start a site that is purposed toward YOUR beliefs... and what and how you believe folks should discuss those... but that's not THIS site, luv, sorry.

As for "rampaging" about... I don't rampage OR prance. I also truly don't get how you believe you've been appointed to keep me in check. I know who those persons are... and sorry, but my Lord has not revealed to me that you are among them. Visions of grandeur, perhaps? Now, THAT's a fire than can get one burned, dear one.



Yes, well, according to YOU... I'm not in that Palace... so no worries about ME putting MY feet up there, yes? Even so, There is very little that is "comfortable" about pointing out to another that the faith they THINK they have is belied by the comments they post. I would much rather have been out walking my puppies... or sharing as to some new understanding. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be asking two dear ones to try and make peace (a skill you apparently don't possess).

Even so, while some child might "accidentally" knock another's feet to the floor due to running around (as can occur when JOYFUL children are present), no child in the house of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, would INTENTIONALLY do so, and He certainly wouldn't SEND one to do so. That analogy is nothing more than the attempt OF a child trying to "sound" grown up. Unfortunately, it didn't sound like it at all, but like a mean little kid thinking he was sent to wield some authority he really doesn't have.

Gotta go fix dinner, now, so... peace!

Your servant (still, yep!)... and a slave of Christ,

SA

Glad that we agree!



Sure, but that is not what i am doing, nor asking anyone else TO do.



I am not certain of what your point is?

That the RCC is descended from the early church? That may be, but that does not mean that they remained in union with Christ. (if that was your point; I am assuming)

Nor did Paul want anyone to follow him, over Christ. John (I think it is John) gives us the admonition to 'test the inspired expressions'. Why, if there are no inspired expressions?




We are in agreement on this. Learning about Christ (taking in knowledge) is not the same as knowing Christ, though. As in being in union with Christ. Knowing Christ (being in union with Him) means life.



I do not perceive it, Char. I hear it (His voice)

But what good is hearing His voice... if I am not going to listen to what He tells me? If i am instead going to listen to someone OVER Him? One who does not even profess to hear Him... (or one who professes that He does not even exist)?

What in the world do these ones know more or better than Him?



I agree... but doesn't that depend on who those christians are listening to, themselves? Traditions and men... or Christ? I assume you would not mean the jws' who also call themselves christians. Listening to them leads one away from Christ, and I think you would agree with me there.

Please understand, it is no different for some of us, in regard to other religions as well.

That is not anything against the people in the religion. Just the organization itself, the one that those IN that organization are listening TO (as much as they enforce that, that is; not all do)

We are not called to be sheep.

We are called to be HIS (Christ's) sheep.

To note: I am not cut off from other christians. I have brothers and sisters in Christ... right here.



Why do you say that? That one day I will realize the truth of what you say? How do you know that?

In any case, you are correct. I will not take your word - or shelby's, or sab's, or the pope's, or the GB, or anyone else - other than Christ.


Peace to you,
tammy

On page five and my head is tired

And I see that Sab has come back

And more has been written since my last post here.

Are we now discussing ideas or merely trying to win an argument?

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