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This verse used to give me trouble too, lol!

But other than thinking of this verse as a mere analogy... Christ is not just speaking of a literal mountain, and I would venture to say that some on this forum have told "mountains" to GO, and they have gone.

On jwn, brotherofthehawk made a post about this verse (moving mountains0... and as I was reading what he wrote (I can't remember exactly what he wrote, I would have to go back and look)... our Lord reminded me of the verse in Revelation... that the people will cry out for the 'mountains' to cover and hide them from the wrath of the Lamb. Revelation 6:15-16

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich and the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

My Lord asked me then, who it is that people would be crying out to cover them...? Actual mountains? Or those they had put their faith in... instead of Him?

My Lord also reminds me now that HE is the rock.

His Church/Body is built upon Him.

But there ARE many who others set up as, or who call themselves rocks (by calling themselves truth, or taking the seat/role of Christ... and building bodies/churches around them).

If the Body of Christ is built upon the Rock (the cornerstone)... then perhaps the mountains that the above people are calling to cover them are those organizations built upon rocks other than Christ. These ones written about in revelation are asking to be covered/protected by those mountains and rocks... and not THE rock (Christ)... because they are asking to be hidden FROM Him.


Peace and love to you,

tammy

Bless you. No need for me to say anything. You do it so beautifully yourself. Thanks!

Hello Loz, it's good to hear from you. In the midst of your own shock you are confusing my rebuking with an act of senseless aggression. I care deeply for Shelby and it's why I chose such strong words (Revelation 3:19). I ALSO care a lot for Char and didn't like seeing her get browbeaten and I sensed that she was flustered and in need of aid. It's a hard situation to be in when someone is questioning your faith. Shelby needed some of her own medicine and no one seemed to be rising to the challenge.



The pleasure is all mine, my lady. I much enjoyed reading your response.

-Sab

Dear Loz and Char... the greatest of love and peace to you, both. Please, dear ladies, is there NO way for you to resolve whatever you might... so as to "be of one mind"? I exhort you, both, as Paul exhorted Euodia and Syntyche. Let the love of Christ... which is grounded in forgiveness... rule you, both? I don't care who first offended who. I posted as to what I see, even if others don't. Yours is the only "difference" that exists openly here (save, perhaps, dear Sab's with me... but I have NO doubt he and I will work it out... or at least agree to steer clear of each other... and each others' comments... so that peace... and not our own 'rightfulness'... can reign.

Please, consider it, both? For the sake of others here... and the "good" of the forum in general? We really don't want to reduce our association to what others have allowed, do we?

Please... consider letting yourselves be "wronged"... forgive the other... and move on?

I will pray that BOTH of you are given the strength... and love... to do so!

The greatest of love and peace to you BOTH!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellama

I think, Shelby, that if you were to look back objectively at the posting history, even the most recent example we have before us, you'll see that there are things you've failed to notice. There's really no similarity of input whatsoever, and though I know people often see only what they want to see, I am trusting that with your analytical skills you'll see past preconceptions to actual reality.

Sigh. I have, dear, dear Char (as always, peace to you!)... and notice nothing I didn't before. May I ask that you do the same? And if you know of any in particular that I DIDN'T notice before... kindly point it out? I mean, it very well be that I am NOT "seeing" something... or am seeing something "differently" from you/another. But shouldn't love prompt you to point it out to me... versus making abstract and obscure references? I don't have your mind, dear one, so I can't know what you're meaning. As for what I've meant, I've tried to be very clear. Crystal.

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I have to ask you to NOT trust MY analytical skills, here... because they appear to be analyzing things differently from you. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with my "skills" OR yours. It just means that they may be calibrated differently, or perhaps using different "instruments" TO analyze with.

So, please... accommodate me. Humor me, if you must. But show me what I'm "missing." And while I wait for that, I will go back and read your last post to see if you responded to ANYTHING I directly asked you unrhetorically. Because I'm not sure you did... and am not quite sure why that is.

I await your enlightenment, dear one. No, REALLY. NO sarcasm intended, not at all. I am MORE than willing to try and see what you think I've missed, because my Lord knows I've missed things before. So, please, show me. I reserve the right to respond as to what I might disagree with... and why... though. If I have the energy. Right now, this particular thread has become exhausting... and smacks of a previous online "life", which I have NO desire to relive, if I can help it.

Again, peace to you, dear, dear Char!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

No, Shel. I don't do abstract and obscure references.

Just the short posts on the last two pages will do nicely. If you see everything fine and dandy then that's up to you. I am not going to itemise them, and there is nothing abstract or obscure in what I've said.

Hello Dear Tammy ...



My Lord asked me then, who it is that people would be crying out to cover them...? Actual mountains? Or those they had put their faith in... instead of Him?

My Lord also reminds me now that HE is the rock.

His Church/Body is built upon Him.



Thank you for sharing this, and very interesting. As I was reading this I heard from our lord another verse along this line of understanding in Revelation 17:3&9-10

" He carried me away in spirit into a wilderness and I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet- colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns...
9. Here is where the intelligence that has wisdom comes in: The seven heads mean seven mountains , where the woman sits on top. "

These verses in this chapter refers to the power that this harlot has over the people or mountains that she is sitting upon and ruling.


So thank you again for sharing what you have heard from spirit.
Love and blessing to you
Justmom

I have tried repeatedly in the past to make peace with Char, and been ignored. Her treatment of me has been publicly disdainful over a long period, as many have noted Shelby, including yourself. I have no idea why, but can only guess it stems from my dislike/disrespect for the RCC, which others similarly expressed, and worse.

This evening my response was to Sab, he and I go back a long way, there was no need for Char to make disparaging comments about my response, but as usual she couldn't resist. This has become a regular occurrence, and it's unacceptable and rude. She never offers excuse or apology or even justification, and currently even pretends it isn't happening. As if we are all blind and stupid. I have deliberately not engaged with Char for some time, and would never make scornful comments about her posts. I just hope she will start acting like the god fearing woman she purports to be, so that there is no further disruption of peace on the forum. For my part I'm sorry for any distress I have caused to any here by being upset by this treatment.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

There you are, Shelby, a gift for you, right on cue.

No need for any references from me. Loz generously provided you with one.

For the record, I too have seen the same as Shelby, and it becomes obvious in the last two pages that there is contention, and it is cropping up in comments between you. I have stepped out of it because there is nothing more that I can say that has not already been said, but it is there. I also know that Shelby brings such up only out of love, and in the hopes that two dear sisters may come together.

Sab... I love you. But your post to Shelby did not come from a place of love. It was a slap down, and an insult. (a rebuke as you say)

There is a difference between what Shelby said to Char, and what you said to Shelby.

Shelby is trying to get Char to realize that she HAS been spoken to, and CAN hear... so that Char can turn to Christ and hear him. Not just in a symbolic 'feeling' type of way, but actually hear Him. As Char has done, but... downplays it. Perhaps to avoid coming off as 'arrogant'? As many think people are who claim to hear Him. From a lack of understanding... and perhaps also because some have abused that. But in reality, those of us who do proclaim Christ and that HE does speak... are not doing it to gain glory for ourselves. But for HIM... so that others may turn and look at HIM. Not at us. WE are nothing. Servants, slaves... imperfect (FAR imperfect, lol). That is what the Body does... witness and send people TO Christ.

What you did and are doing... though you may not perceive it... is attempt to get Shelby to deny Christ. Deny that He speaks to her, deny the truths he has given her to share, and deny that He speaks at all. She cannot do this, love. So the only thing you can do in your 'rebuke' is verbally slap her FOR her faith, with the goal that one day she will renounce it and all that CHrist has given her to share.

I do not even remotely speak in judgment of you Sab. Not at all. I cannot. One time I thought Shelby was being sarcastic, but our Lord spoke to me and said... "Shelby is not being sarcastic. She TRULY means what she said."

(from a conversation between her and Burns)

So I cannot judge you Sab, because I have mistaken 'tone' as well, due to what was in me at the time (and I WAS feeling snarky and sarcastic, and so transmitted that onto someone else's post)

So right now, I am only speaking out of concern for her and for you, and what you are trying to get her to do with your rebuke. My Lord was not judging me when he corrected my 'hearing'. He was correcting, so that I could instead see the truth of the matter, rather than what I thought was the truth of the matter.

May you have ears to hear this as well, brother.

Love gives the benefit of the doubt... especially among brothers and sisters in Christ.



To anyone reading:

It is not Shelby's lack of faith that bothers anyone (of those who are bothered)... it is her faith. Something they want for themselves, and CAN receive, by going to the same one who gave that faith to HER.


On another matter,

You know how some of us came out of the wts and said... HEY, I can't believe I never saw that verse (or truth, or whatever)... ? It is right there in black and white! ?

Such as:

"At that time if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ!' or, "There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect - if that were possible. See I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you 'there he is, our in the desert,' do not go out; or , here he is in the inner rooms, do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west , so will be the coming of the son of man."

Well, this is another one that some might not see now, but might 'SEE' later:

"But you are not to be called, rabbi, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father', for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you be be called 'teacher', for you have on Teacher, the Christ."


Peace and love to you all,

tammy

AHhhh!

Yes, I heard this as well and did not understand the meaning (and did not ask Him to explain ).... and then forgot about it.

Peace and love to you!!

tammy

Ho-KAY - peace to you all!

Well, I had done my usual bump-by-bump to dear Char (again, peace to you!), including quoting the actual comments from the pages mentioned... (and all I'm going to say on that is that I think you really ought to reread the posts you've referred ME to, at least so as to maybe help those of us who see differently understand what you DID mean and intend. But if not, no worries - this isn't high school and my love for you won't change, dear one. So, we can just move on)...

And then I read dear tec's post (peace to you, as well, dear one!)... and heard from my Lord that I am to be "done" with this particular matter, or risk fomenting another (I won't name the site)-like environment. Since the world already has that site for those who can/wish to visit and have such kinds of interchanges, I don't want to contribute to this one becoming similar. Not that there's anything wrong with the other - it serves a wonderful purpose! But IT serves that purpose and I want to keep it different HERE... for the sake of my Lord... and those who belong to him. Both those who hear now... and those who wish to do so (better) going forward.

So, without further adieu and no further comment... I'm done here, at least as far as the "she said/you said" interchange. I am more than willing to discuss Nazariteship, my Lord, what he says to me, wanting to hear/know truth, etc., but I have to keep it there, dear ones. I am sure you ALL understand that.

But I have to say, dear, dear Char, I sincerely apologize for pointing out what I "saw" regarding the interchanges in question, but as I stated, they truly confused me because I don't "know" you that way. I am no longer confused, though, and so no longer need explanation/clarification. I can and shall move one.

Again, peace to you, ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

Dear Tec and 'Mom... the greatest of love and peace to you, both, and THANK you for sharing those wonderful insights and truths! Neither our Father or Lord ever leave themselves without witness, do they? You hear something that may sound "strange" from another... or someone asks a question regarding some verse, teaching, understanding, etc., that you've put faith in... but, now what, with this "new" piece! And there they are... right on time! LOLOLOL!

I "see" and understand what you both received and mean! Thank YOU... BOTH... for sharing what YOU received with the rest of US!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellama

Actually, Tammy, I'm glad you bring up the question of Matthew 23:9, because today I've been preparing a detailed considered post on this subject, which is widely misunderstood, and not by any means just on this forum.

Please bear with me. It's not ready yet, as other things have taken my attention, but it will be posted, perhaps tomorrow, if time allows.

It seems that people want me to address the issue of Loz. Personally, I've always worked on the assumption that when something like this occurs in life, as a general principle it's a good idea to use as few words as possible. But it seems that's not the fashion here.

I am getting fed up with all the silly criticism about my lack of love, my nastiness to Loz etc. It's pathetic. I'd have been embarrassed if my five year olds had been those whiney children who pester a teacher saying so-and-so " is being mean to me". For goodness sake, Loz, stop pretending you're so perfect, stop complaining how nasty I am, and grow up and move on. If you don't like the smoke, stay away from the fire. And for goodness sake, those of you who say you agree with her, get real, wake up and see what's really going on. You'll find no post from me like her attack on me above. That's not my style. I left the kindergarten when I was six.

Grow up.