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RED SAID


A little off topic and nothing to serious.. BUT
Ive recently been pondering about a passage in Genesis 3:17...

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;..."

Now we know from fossilized structures that dinosaurs (or some type of large mammal) existed years and years ago. These so-called Dinosaurs, according to history of man, existed before man. A passage in Genesis 1:20-21 MIGHT be the answer...

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good

Let's ASSUME those dinosaurs were around before God created man and that perhaps those "sea creatures" were able to go on land from free will or evolution.. It wasn't until Adam sinned that he and the "physical" land were cursed. Sin = death.

So here's something to think about..
Where might the Dinosaurs have gone if death(sin) didn't exist until Man(Adam) brought it into the world?

And IF death wasn't upon them until man sinned, then THAT means these so-called Dinosaurs didn't exist millions and millions of years ago... but ONLY thousands! Right?

I would love to hear some input on this conundrum


Love & Light

AGUEST SAID

A couple things, dear Prana (peace to you... and WELCOME!)



Do you mean large... reptiles? And are you suggesting that perhaps these returned to the sea?

Given that it was only life on the ground/land/earth (and not that in the water) that was destroyed during the Flood... and given such "creatures" as Loch Ness "monsters" (no, I'm not saying those are real/exist... I truly don't know - some say yes, some say no - I'm just asking, for now)...

Is that what you're suggesting?

Thanks and, again, peace to you!
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SA

RED SAID


Hello dear AGuest, peace to you as well


Yes, possibly reptile like creatures such as something in comparison to our modern day Amphibia. So it could be quite possible they "returned" or even descended into the seas. Our findings of prehistoric fossils mostly resembles that of the Reptilia family.

We can go as far as to say they might've known what was going on and they (or most) fleed to the sea to seek the water for future protection and because the Sea still remains biblically clean(in covenant) in a sense that He cursed only the land which was later cleansed during the flood of Noah's time. The land was cleansed but still remains cursed. By cleanse I mean more along the lines of God reestablishing a covenant with Noah...

Love & Light

AGUEST SAID

Something interesting to consider (peace to you all!):

The scientific position is that dinosaurs evolved from smaller reptiles, which evolved from amphibious species. Could there have been a devolvement (devolution?) such that they COULD exist in the water full-time? Or... better yet, where they weren't actually full reptiles... but perhaps an amphibi-tile (yeah, I know - my husband calls that a "Shelby-ism" - LOL!). OR... such that they exist as reptiles do NOW?

Please, no one take these as anything other than cursory musings by an old lady (well, okay, middle-aged lady); I am neither a scientist or paleontologist, by any stretch. Not even a mild hobbyist. But dear Prana's questions have prompted me to think maybe there was something that's been missed...

Since we're on the subject, though, I would like to ask for additional comments (beyond those to dear Prana - peace to you!) on something that's been on MY mind:

There are 8-9 planets in our solar system... and blank number of solar systems in our galaxy... and blank number of galaxies in the physical universe. Taking our one solar system, though...

How likely is it that our lowly planet not only had the "perfect" conditions to bring forth/foment life once... but more than twice... and all after very catastrophic events?? First, when whatever it was came out of the first primordial "soup"... then, after, the "catastrophic" event that rendered all remaining dinosaurs extinct (but not any other major lifeforms, apparently)... then after the "Ice" age, etc?

I guess I'm asking: how is it that our planet is the ONLY one than can undergo such catastrophic events, what literally wipes out most life, yet... end up with life again... and again... and again?

I realize that I am minimizing, here. And I realize that the conventional answer will be the millions of years between each "event". Are there truly no other planets... in the galaxy... in the physical universe... where conditions support life... but have experienced no such catastrophies... or if have so experienced... end up devoid of life, rather than have that life re-perpetuate, as it is claimed was done here?

Again, just some personal musings, so nothing heavy or deep going on here. Just hope my questions/musings make sense, at least to the point someone can reply (smile!).

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

AGUEST SAID

Are you also suggesting, dear one (again, peace to you!) that by means of returning to the sea they did not actually die before death "entered" through man (because if death didn't not exist in the physical world until man allowed it in... then how would dinosaurs, etc., have died off before man even came on the scene)?

That seems to question the conventional [scientific] wisdom that there were millions... perhaps hundreds of millions... of years between the two (dinosaurs and man). Which would then question... carbon dating, etc. (which some do, actually).

Interesting stuff. Don't drop us off here, though - show us where you're going - LOLOL!

Peace!
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PSACRAMENTO SAID

That is a fascinating question Shel.
Truly.
We have had some rather intense catastrophes on this planet.
Putting aside the amazing fact that life began on this plant, the fact is that the ideal conditions for life HAVE changed at least a few times since life was said to be started.
The world wide event that wiped out the dinosaurs.
The ice age(s)
to name only 2.
Life does indeed "find away", but the amazing thing is that life seems to have ONLY found a way HERE.

PSACRAMENTO SAID

That is a fascinating question Shel.
Truly.
We have had some rather intense catastrophes on this planet.
Putting aside the amazing fact that life began on this plant, the fact is that the ideal conditions for life HAVE changed at least a few times since life was said to be started.
The world wide event that wiped out the dinosaurs.
The ice age(s)
to name only 2.
Life does indeed "find away", but the amazing thing is that life seems to have ONLY found a way HERE.

AGUEST SAID

I am sure there are some scientists/evolutionists/paleontologist/atheists out there who would be a bit put out that we're even deigning to discuss such things without adequate knowledge or a proper foundation. But, hey, they often discuss things relating to the spiritual without adequate knowledge or a proper "foundation", either. As long as folks can be open to the discussion... right?

Peace!
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SA

JUSTMOM SAID

Things that make you go .......UUUMMMMMMMMM!!!!!



You know me aguest, I'm a very simple person, but.........

knowing how small the world seems to be getting in my life, who am I to limit Jah and His son's LOVE to create anywhere they choose. Just because we may NOT understand does not mean it is not possible.

We are so small in the "big picture" of things!!!
I am just sooooo grateful that he found me here on this small planet and loves me.

With love to you my sister
justmom

p.s. I nicknamed him (JayPrana) Praise jah!!!!!

RED SAID

AGuest it is quite possible, yes.
It is TOO possible. Earth is known in Astronomy as the Water Planet. Perhaps cuz water doesn't flow on any other planets efficiently enough for life to produce
Water still remained and there is SO much of it so back then there might've even been more water considering the wisdom [of science] that there was only a single continent (Pangea). That would leave an entire body of water left for God knows what creatures to live in for years and years.
This planet is not perfect. It has it's negative interferences due to universal and atmospherically influences but God saw it was Good. This one, single planet, that he saw as waste and void, would be Earth the very instant he gave it form and water.

We know less than we do more so there could be planets capable of life.. taking into account how close the Sun, Atmospheric pressures and the list goes on.. That's possible why Earth was seen as Good because it could produce all life he and Christ wanted to create.

P.s. Forgive any incorrections in spelling or generalization. I am on my phone currently.. not the best idea. But I will be more than happy to elaborate once I'm home on a real desktop

ANTHONY SAID

The strange thing was that it wasn't just lizards that were bigger in past, every creature seemed to have a super-sized version that we just don't see today. As it is written concerning the Nephilim, "there were giants in those days ..."

I don't know that I buy the idea that dinosaurs died out billions of years ago. Those recent fossil finds with blood tissue inside the bones really makes my head spin.

I'll share some stuff sometimes when I'm able to type it all out -- mad ideas, crazy ideas.

Cheers!
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RED SAID

Hello Anthony, peace & love to you!


Supposedly millions of years ago Earth had a stronger gravitational pull. This was due to the fact that our moon, planets, stars etc. were much closer then than they are now. This caused such a strong pull that the animals(prehistorics) were MUCH larger in mass in order to their proper gravitational pull on earth.
In other words..
Scientists actually are certain that as our Universe expands the gravitational pull from other planets and such weakens.

Although its possible scientifically at least, I don't know about the giant mentioned in the Bible Goliath BUT the Nephilim were not exactly giant humans. They were more of a hybrid... not a nice hybrid either. AGuest is much more qualified to elaborate on them.

Back to the topic LOL this could possibly be why they might have devolved over millenias into smaller sizes. Such as elephants from mammoth or crocs from crocodylomorphas..

Anywho, I would love to hear some more of your crazy ideas!

ANTHONY SAID

My understanding is that the planets Saturn, Venus, and Mars were once very close to the earth and served as the first 'sun'. This is the first trinity Saturn (Father), Venus (Mother), Mars (Son). These three formed the "eye in the sky" so-to-speak. (Three circles inset, with Mars being the pupil, and Venus being the Iris.) Lots of our symbolism and imagery comes from this grouping. Things like the pyramid with the all seeing eye on the pyramid, the holy mountain, the world tree, the cross, the caduceus, the winged sun disk, and so on and so on. These three planets were locked in orbit over the earth. The gravitational pulled the land up in that spot, creating a mountain, there was a huge shaft of light extending up to the the three planet/sun, which appeared to rest on this pillar. This is where you get imagery like the obelisk and Jacob's ladder. Heaven and earth were combined, so to speak.

Without dismissing any spiritual significance, Revelation 12 depicts the breakup of this arrangement. As mars breaks away, that is the woman giving birth. The war in 'heaven' is the celestial phenomena that goes along with this event. The seven headed dragon is a plasma discharge. The 'woman' is Venus, that goes supernova, giving her 'wings' as she departs to the 'wilderness'. There was quite a bit of water up there trapped as ice. Some of it fell to the earth and I think others went on to form Saturn rings.


The end of Revelation depicts this in reverse, again symbolicly, a restoration of what once was, with no sun or moon, just 'new jerusalem', the throne of god, in heaven close to the earth, with a stream running out and connecting the earth.

Sorry for rambling ...
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NAMBO SAID

Just because men in white coats tell you a fact, it doesn't always make it so.

Did dinosaurs really become extinct 65 million years ago?

Maybe all the legends for Dragons, and mans interaction with them, where not stories but an earlier term before the the name dinosaur was brought into use in the 19th century.

Maybe all the carvings and cave drawings of man interacting with dinosaurs where made because they actually did?
The people with money, the people that finance Universities and the like have the beliefs money and power, to convert you to their religion.

Heres a Video that looks at the topic, or there are plenty more in the right hand column.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_uWw0k640Y&feature=related[/youtube]

TEC SAID

All interesting questions/musings/ponderings!

Now I have more things to muse and ponder myself.



Good food for thought!

Peace,
tammy