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LOZ SAID

It isn't fair to generalise and presume, I kept my kids safe in this regard, and I'm sure many other parents did the same.

Loz x
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OUTLAW SAID

Hey Loz..

Your in a minority..
You should be applauded..
The girls at my door would be lucky to have you as a parent..

Just curious..
If your Kids were DF`d would you have shunned them?..
Most JW parents would,thats not a Generalization..
It`s fact..
I just walked away and mine didn`t want much to do with me..
There`s plenty of ways to sacrifice your children in Watchtower World..

...........................OUTLAW

AGUEST SAID



As did I, dear Loz (peace!) but surely we were in the minority? Which is possibly one of the reasons why we're not still a part of her? Because some us DID exercise common sense? But we all know that many not only send their children out alone (and even in more rural areas where just as much caution should be exercised, given what's now coming out in the news!)... but sometimes out with unsavory JWs!

I may not like the generalizations, especially if I engaged in the kinds of conduct being discussed, but I have to take responsibility, don't I, for those times I DID leave off my own common sense... in order to follow a false prophet?

Every unsavory thing folks point out as to JWs is almost unequivocally true... and we all know it. So, okay, some of us took part in that, even imitated some of that conduct. I'm not sure we can now say, "No fair! I wasn't like that!" or "Well, I was only doing what they TOLD me to do!" Neither flies, IMHO. Rather, I think we just have to hunker down, admit that we were once apart of a heinous con and hoax... and say, "Yeah, that WAS/IS stupid, wasn't/isn't it? I am SO glad I'm NO LONGER a part of that! I truly hope everyone ELSE wakes up, too, and GETS OUT OF HER!"

But we can't take issue with others taking issue with her... and her members... in general. She... and so long as one is a part of her, they... deserve it. Maybe someone reading of such issues WILL wake up... and get out of her. If they haven't, yet.

I am curious, though, as to how we know the fathers of these children sent them out, or even know they're out. Could be, they don't... and WOULD have fits if they knew. To be fair, got some moms out there gotta take some of the blame, dear Sher'f.

Peace... and thick skins, dear ones, thick skins - we were once part of a major false prophet and false christ. Folks SHOULD have issues with her... and those who belong to her. To the extent we know her "sins", so should we. Just as the "citizens" of other "cities" should have issues with the "crimes" going on there. Of course, anyone who's going to take issue with another's "home territory," does well to take the same issues within such one's own "home territory," first. Else risk being a hypocrite, right?

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

Outlaw, one of mine got disfellowshipped, she asked them to Df her actually, she was having an affair, and didn't want it to end. She had health problems and I told the elders I had to support her because of them, and I did. Saw her regularly and helped her with shopping etc.

Shelby, I knew a lot of parents who were conscientious about their kids safety. They didn't take it for granted that they'd be safe with JWs, or risk them going out on the ministry without due care. I can only speak from experience. I see that the WT is careless with children and that's so wrong, but not all parents failed to ensure their children's safety. That's all I'm saying. We can't generalise.

Loz x
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OUTLAW SAID

Hey Shelby!..

Those girls could have very well could have been out with their moms..
The result is the same..

I remember a carload of JW woman,breaking down right in front of my ranch gate..
Out in the field service
They were stuck miles from any help..
Why they would drive a vehicle in that bad of shape,way out there..
Is beyond any normal persons reasoning..
But..
There they were,all dressed up..
Totally unprepared for what may happen to them next..
They had no tools..No survival gear..
No proper shoes to be able to walk out of the wilderness if they had to..
It was a disaster waiting to happen and it did..

I couldn`t leave them there..
I couldn`t let them try walking back..
There was just as many wild animals there,as there is here..
So I walked down and told them to pop the hood..

The battery clamp was cracked and dirty..
I went back to the house and brought back my tools to the car..
I cleaned up everything the best I could..
What a mess..
The car started on the first try..
Those JW ladies were Friggin Happy..LOL!!..

I told them to drive straight home and get hubby to replace the clamp..
They drove off..
Hanging out the windows,waving at me and thanking me..
LOL!!..

It could have went a whole lot worse..

...........................................OUTLAW

OUTLAW SAID

Your a good mom loz..
At least I think your a mom..LOL!!..Maybe your a Dad?..LOL!!..

You really are in a minority..
Most JW`s wouldn`t have behaved the way you did..
The majority will turn on anyone,including their own family..
I`ve seen it..I`ve experienced it..
There is no loyalty except to the WBT$..

......................................OUTLAW

CHARIKLO SAID

Even in my short time with them I saw it.

In particular, one elder and his wife have two sons and a daughter. The two sons, now in their early twenties, are disfellowshipped and shunned by all, even their previously doting grandmother. The daughter is now married to an American JW.

Both her husband and the father are very deeply linked with the WT over in New York. They both have skills that are used by the WT. I do know the details but I won't put them here on an open forum.

It astonishes me that although I was with them for such a short time, I suppose 5-7 years in touch with the thing and then two or three much more closely involved, I learned so much and got to know so many people in authoritative positions, some of them really very well. As so often, this family I'm mentioning are basically very nice as individuals but they are several generations within it and they live and breathe Watchtower. They're otherwise people of intelligence who have mostly turned their backs on education so they can knock on more doors and be diligent elders and WT lackeys.

AGUEST SAID

I absolutely believe there are differing experiences within the WTBTS, dear Loz (again, peace to you!). May I ask you, would it be safe to say that "Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions?" Is that the case with ALL JWs', though? I don't think it is. Yet, we do say that... which is a generalization, right?

I feel okay saying that JWs allow their children out unescorted because of personal experience. My ex used to lead a large group of young people out... but not by HIS choice: the kids all wanted to "work" with him in FS... and the parents were MORE than happy to turn them over to him. Not that he would have done anything to them, but they couldn't all walk up to the same door, so some were sent to other doors.

Now, it could be different where you are. Perhaps you live in a small town environment (although I would think it more prevalent in such areas because most folks in those areas think they know everyone else so have less fear). Or it could be the difference in our countries. I remember the differences in practices where I was (large-ish city) than were, say, dear 'Mom (peace!) was. Her and dear FinalCall (peace!) once tried to tell me that it was no only different where they were but better than where I was. I tried to reason with them that it really wasn't - thing is, they had never experienced some things. When they began to speak up about Christ, however, they not only found out that it wasn't really all that different, but actually a bit worse where they were!

I am sure that the REALITY is that no one can generalize about anything, dear one. Not about kids, or work, or men, or cars, or cities, or (the people in) religion, etc. But I think we ALL realize that there are exceptions to almost EVERY rule... and so give the one making the statements the benefit of the doubt that they don't mean the exceptions. At least, I do.

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

Yes Shelby I acknowledge that the majority of witnesses don't 'believe' in blood transfusions, don't 'believe' in the trinity, do 'believe' in the door to door ministry, etc etc. Such were the teachings we accepted as coming from 'Jehovah' though, who I'm sure most believe they are serving, as opposed to 'The Watchtower'. I certainly did.

This is in fact how the WTBS manages to gain their control, by leading people who have an honest desire to serve the creator. For those who learn to trust the Spirit, or who pursue more research, they see through the deceptions and escape, as we know. Let's hope many more follow suit, yes?

Loz x
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