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I wasnt sure where to post this, but i have had a question ever since i could remember. Could any of you tell me why satan wasnt destroyed right away after he sinned and God knew he was not sorry for it?

Good question, dear Geri (peace to you!), and I would like to respond, if I may - thank you! To get to the answer, one has to know the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... or at least know someone who knows Him, yes? Otherwise, one is only guessing. Here is what I understand:

First, one would have to ask, where is the MERCY (or "UNdeserved kindness") in meteing out judgment, condemnation, and destruction "right away"? People's hearts change, as most of US can attest to (I certainly can attest that my heart TODAY is NOT the same as it was, say, 20 years ago). That the Adversary wasn't sorry THEN doesn't mean he wouldn't be later, right? He COULD have had a change of heart, yes? Of course, we know NOW that he didn't, but let's start there, with mercy.

So, in the first sense, mercy would have caused JAH to not destroy the Adversary right away, but have given that one time to "repent." Same is has been given us... right?

Can we go beyond that, though, beyond mercy being a reason to delay punishment? We can. What about the Adversary's accusations against us, mankind? Because he has certainly made them, and as to each one of us: that we weak, puny, selfish, and self-serving "crybabies" that, given the opportunity and the removal of JAH's "hedge", WOULD choose our own skin over our love for the MOST HOLY One of Israel... and so actually curse Him when things aren't going so well. That was the point in the account of Job. Job 1:9-11; 2:4, 5; Revelation 12:10 And many, if not most of US... DO blame God, don't we, when things aren't going well? ("WHY, God??! Why did YOU do/allow... this??!"). Had he been immediately destroyed, who could say whether he was right or wrong? Who could PROVE him wrong? No one. But now we ALL can, individually, if we so choose to do so, yes?

Can we go beyond THAT, though, beyond the accusations against man being a reason to delay? We can. We can go to the point of understanding that the amount of energy it would have taken to destroy that one, which was and is an amount that COULD [have] destroyed the entire "creation." Spirits do not die, dear one; they must be destroyed. By fire. Matthew 10:28 And not fire of THIS world, but "fire" resulting from an energy SO great it not only creates, but can utterly destroy. Which is why that one burns "forever" in the Lake of Fire. Revelation 12:9 He does not burn "forever" literally, but for so long a time it would seem that way in terms of THIS world's [ability to note/record] time.

The Adversary was "forged" from "fire"... that energy Ezekiel 28:13, 14... and only that energy can destroy him. Revelation 20:9 It is such a great amount, however, that to "loose" it would have resulted in destruction of the creation. Instead, like Adham, Eve... and other spirit beings that rebelled/sinned... he first had to be CUT OFF from the Source... which did not occur until he was case OUT of the spirit realm (Matthew 25:46; Revelation 12:10; Ezekiel 28:17)... so as to be weakened and thus ABLE to be destroyed. Genesis 3:22; Ezekiel 28:18, 19

It is understandable that we, humans, would try to understand these things in first level HUMAN perspectives; what WE would do. But we have to remember: JAH's thoughts are not like OUR thoughts. We think in terms of the hear and know - we want every quick, in a hurry, NOW. Particularly "justice." But in our "thirst" for "justice," how many injustices are committed? How many have lost their lives unnecessarily, but could have kept them had WE only taken a moment to further consider the "facts" and "evidence." Or... to extend mercy?

But no, we want "swift" justice and, as a result, many INNOCENT are killed in the process. And that is the case here: had JAH meted out justice SWIFTLY... the innocent, who hadn't even come INTO the world yet, would have been destroyed. Because in order to destroy the Adversary, Adham and Eve would have also been destroyed. And so... the seed they carried.

Because JAH IS merciful, however... and SLOW to anger... that seed, including Christ, who SAVED the world... came into existence. Since you and I could be among those seed, rather than bemoaning the DELAY (but not the dismissal!) of justice, should we not trust in JAH, that He IS righteous and that in the "end" all will be as it should be... and should have been from the start?

I dunno. Perhaps that seems "foolish" to some, particularly those who believe that mankind, including they themselves, are going to change something. Perhaps even make things "better." Don't get me wrong - I don't negate that some things ARE better (than, say, a millenia or two ago); however, some things are exactly the same... and some things are even worse. Some folks might argue this. For example, some might argue how people "in Africa" are being helped. What they MISS, however, is that they are being "helped" for MODERN disasters and travesties. They were suffering from starvation and diseases BEFORE others brought such to their lands. Sure, there were small tribal squirmishes, but there was no AIDS epidemic, etc.

Regardless, if we want to try and "figure God out" by means of OUR standards, understanding, and thinking... we are going to continue doing what we've been doing for quite some time: speculating... and usually very wrongly so.

At any rate, I hope this helps. Of course, I realize that it won't be sufficient for everyone, but it is the truth, such that I received it FROM the Truth, my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... who is the One appointed to speak for... and show/reveal to us... HIS God and Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH... of Armies.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Thank you aguest, that was very interesting. Never really thought of it that way. From what I understand, it sounds like you believe you know him?

I hope you dont mind, after reading through your very interesting explanation i had a few questions. You say that one reason god didnt kill him right away at the start was because of mercy and giving him time to repent? I guess that can work. But now that he knows that satan isnt going to repent, why keep him around? I mean, wouldnt it be kind of like that Tyler Perry movie.. "I can do bad all by myself?" We dont really need any more additional help from him since he obviously isnt going to change his mind. So why keep him around?

You brought up an interesting point about satan raising accusation against us? My question is.. who cares what accusation he has? I mean if god knows his people and therefore he knows who really is faithful and who isnt, why can he be the judge of that? God doesnt need any help from satan to see who will curse him. Wouldnt god already know from knowing the hearts of people and judge accordingly?

The most interesting was what you said about the fire. That he was forged from fire and only in this fire can he be destroyed (reminded me A LOT about LOTR [lord of the rings].. pretty interesting ). If releasing this fire will destroy everything (all creation), then instead why not bind satan "hand and foot" and toss his little "toushy" into that lake? Then we would all be "happy" - no? (okay, maybe not happy, but at least rid of him, haha)

Thank you for the peace . Its appreciated. I hope you can have peace too.

Hello Geri,

Great question, and a well thought out reply Aguest.



This is something I too have never been able to work out. If Jehovah is all knowing why didn't he know that Satan (or Adam and Eve for that matter) would reject him? Surely he would also know whether or not Satan would later repent? Why go through with letting him stay around knowing full well he'll never change (and thus cause untold suffering to humans)?

Adam and Eve were duped by a far superior being. They were not given a second chance, they were not shown mercy, and the sentence of death was pronounced immediately.

One would have to ask, where is the mercy (or "undeserved kindness") in meteing out judgment, condemnation, and destruction "right away" on these little humans who got fooled?

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“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.” - Dr Seuss

The same reason God doesn't destroy US when we sin and are not sorry for it.
God still loves Satan, as any Father would love their son, no matter how horrible that son is.
Yet, God is a God of righteousness and BECAUSE He Loves Satan that is why He WILL act and because He IS God why He MUST act.
Satan is not God's adversary, he is OURS.
His only power is what WE give him.
While Satan can tempt and Satan can lure, in the end the CHOICE is OURS.

The way I see things such as this, it always comes down to the same basic thing. As the old saying goes, God moves in mysterious ways.

God is mystery.

Here's just one way I fall out with Jehovah's Witnesses. They insisted to me that God wants us to know and understand Him, whereas I know that one constant feature of the divine nature is that there will always be an element of mystery. His ways are not our ways. He has His eternal plan, which we don't know. We are just part of it.

For myself, as I see things, I trust God totally. Perhaps a human would have destroyed an entity such as Satan.but what would be the consequences? We don't know. God knows. He knows what will happen, and " what would happen if" ...and we can add in there all manner of variables.

We can try to reason out answers, and sometimes we're granted glimpses of great truths,but we don't and can't know much detail for sure.

Long ago, I realised and decided that all we need to do is to trust Him and entrust our souls to Him, and rest in His arms. That's the way forward. All these questions and wonderingly are intriguing and beguiling, but they won't lead us to any greater understanding or knowledge, because God is God. JW's, or at least the elders I knew, don't believe in Holy Mystery. They try to bring God down to a human level, reducing and thereby belittling Him.

But He is the Almighty, yet Our Father, The Lord and King of Creation, Eternal, Most Holy, and yes, shrouded in Mystery.

His ways are not our ways, and yet the great and wondrous truth is that He loves us. He has written our names on the palms of His hands. Such a mighty, loving,caring God is far, far beyond our comprehension, and that is why, however much we puzzle over such apparent conundrums as this,we won't, and can't, find an answer.

I know Christ, yes, dear Geri (good morning and peace to you!), and through him, know the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies ("God")... to the extent one CAN know Him. Which one CAN. And so, while I must absolutely agree with those who have a love and reverence for God, I must disagree with the perception as to whether God is STILL a mystery to those who belong to Him, through Christ. Because dear Paul wrote about this very thing:

"... we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

"But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

But this was true BEFORE Christ. As Paul goes on to share:

"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

"These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of JaHVeH that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ."


We can KNOW God, THROUGH the mind of Christ... who IS the Holy Spirit:

"Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit ; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." 2 Corinthians 3:12-18




I absolutely do NOT mind, dear one. I am the servant here (smile).



Again, two (2) reasons: First, because of the accusations he has made against mankind, that we are ALL weak, puny, snivelers, who only love God when things are going good. He has accused us all... and so we are being allowed time to RESPOND to such, each of us individually. Had he been destroyed that accusation could never have been put to rest for those who came after. Second, again, the amount of energy it would have taken to destroy him at that time would have destroyed the entire creation. Time had to be allowed for him to be removed from access to the Tree of Life so that he could BE destroyed. Even then, it will take quite some energy to do it. Hence, it will seem to take "forever," but it won't actually be forever. Just quite some time. Because full on energy to destroy him in one fell swoop would also destroy the rest of creation. His will be a "slow burn", to utter destruction.



Well, I do. I care, because it's a LIE as to me, at least. He has said that I only love God because of the good things He does for me. That's not true at ALL. While I am sure that not ALL of mankind care, I am sure there are others who DO also care that a false accusation has been levied against them, too. The MOST HOLY One of Israel doesn't need, indeed, doesn't even expect ALL of mankind to respond and prove that accusation a lie - He only NEEDED one... and that One was Christ. However, if OTHERS wish to prove it wrong, too... should He not give them opportunity to do so, as to themselves? Wouldn't TRUE justice call for that? ("Wait, Father! That one has made a false accusation about me! Will you not grant ME time to show that it IS false, as to ME?" Let ME prove him a liar as to ME, please!")



He knew Job would prove faithful, did He not? Yet, He allowed Job to PROVE it... for himself and to the one accusing him. That JAH knows we will abide in our faith is not the point. There are others who CHALLENGE what He knows about us, dear one.



Yes. May I offer that you read the account of Job? Perhaps that will help you "see" what God knows (for instance, that there WAS no one like dear Job and that he, Job, WOULDN'T curse the Father to His face, no matter WHAT the tribulation)... by what another still accuses. You and many others might like God to speak for you, but if He did... where then is free-will? Can you not speak for yourself? I mean, you may not WANT to, but there are those of us who do. I do. I don't want the MOST HOLY One of Israel telling my accuser what I will/will not do, then step in and silence that accuser without giving ME an opportunity to speak for myself. Isn't that what, say, the WTBTS does? Not let folks prove FOR THEMSELVES what they are/are not... and will/will not do... when falsely accused?



The Adversary will be bound at some point and THEN tossed into that Lake (of fire), yes. BUT... again, he must be sufficiently weakened so as to ALLOW this. He is weakened by being cut off from "eating" from the "Tree of Life." So long as he had access, he would live forever. Since being cast out of the realm where that "Tree" (which is Christ, by the way) is... his weakening has begun. It is STILL not sufficient enough to destroy him, though. His time WILL come, though, without a doubt. But as dear Char (peace to you, luv!) stated, what WE would do is not necessarily what JAH would do. Indeed, WE would push the "red button" to rid ourselves of an enemy, if we felt compelled to do so... with absolutely NO regard for the scope of damage such would cause and to how many. God, however, does not think as we do. HE knows that He can bring BACK every life lost in the meantime, so it isn't the same for Him as it is with us. For HIM, those "lost" are only temporarily so... and so well worth the wait... when compared to so utterly destroying EVERYTHING that even these can't be brought BACK to life.



Why THANK you, dear one! I do have peace, praise JAH. Well, 'cept during the "hot flashes" my body is going through these days - LOLOLOL! Then, I feel a spurt of "non-peace" - LOLOLOL!

I realize that, due to our perception of the quickness of our physical lives, "we" WISH things to progress more quickly. What we don't realize is the self-serving selfishness in such a wish. Life is "bad" more often because of our own choices, or those made by others that effect us in some way... than just by chance. That's not to say NO life is "bad" by chance; there are many who suffer due to disease, both genetically and acquired. But even if we rid the earth of all sickness and disease... there would still be suffering. Because we simply cannot lock up every person who would do harm to his fellowman. Sure, not all would do such harm by means of, say, guns and bombs, etc., but there are many, many other ways to do others harm.

We tend to look at things from a closer POV because of how they effect our own lives or that of those we love or feel empathy for. JAH is not looking at just us and just our particular lifetime. He is looking at ALL life, for ALL time. In that light, I trust that He knows WAY more than I as to how this all needs to play out... and within what timeframe. Is it hard to wait? Yes, because, again, of our relatively short lifespan. IF, however, we were a species that lived for, say, a millenia or two... yet, saw all that transpired during that period... we would be less desire of haste and much more ready to be patient... and accept patience from others, including the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies.

A good way to help you "see" this, is to compare the... mmmmmmmmm... "impatience" of the western world with the "long-suffering" of the non-western world. Our civilizations have existed for less than 2 millenia, when others have existed for more than 5-6 millenia. They have seen our form of "civilization" come... and go. Yet, their (outdated, in "our" opinion) ways of life have sustained them for eons. We "forget" within a generation or two. They are STILL living in line with many ancient tenets. While horses and cattle ARE more desirable to us than rats and roaches, it's usually the latter and their way of life that survive when disaster hits.

I only mean to say... patience, my dear one. Patience. Perhaps even the patience of Job, if one can muster it.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Hi everyone,

Thank you for your responses. I really do appreciate them.

PSacramento,

When you said god also doesnt destroy us when we sin and arent sorry for it, were you meaning now or before? I ask because didnt god kill people in the bible for sinning and werent sorry for it? I remember some people died because they were mean to moses or something and god made fire come down and kill them? And didnt he kill people in sodom and gomorrah too? Can we assume none of them were sorry when they sinned?

You mentioned that satan isnt gods adversary; hes ours. How can this be? I mean, if satan is going around making trouble for those whom god loves.. being an enemy to them, wouldnt that in turn make satan an enemy to god? Like if you are kind to gods people you are kind to god, but then in the same token if you are cruel to gods people you are cruel to god?

I agree with you that satan can tempt and lure but the end choice is ours. Totally agree! We do bear resonsibility for what we do or dont do. However, i dont think the only power is what we give him because given that he is a spirit person/thing (or whatever, lol), he was created and therefore has an inherent amount of power. And since we are lower than the angels, we obviously on our own cannot match him in strength, intelligence, etc. Especially considering that he has been around a lot longer than we have. I would believe god can, but we surely cant.

I will try to write some more later.. but im a bit tired. Had a long day with the children and need to make dinner.

Geri

I rather tend to agree, Geri.

But I think the important thing is not to spend time thinking about Satan, which he would love, but to focus and concentrate on the one who matters, Jesus Christ.

He is always with us, he is our Lord and Saviour and Friend, and he will keep us safe. Forget about the other, beyond "Deliver us from evil" in the Lord's Prayer.

That's my approach, and the focus of my prayers.

Hi Chariklo,

I think i understand what you are saying, even in regards to your comment that theres always an element of mystery to God. I agree that there is always an element of mystery because no one here fully knows him. I know aguest says he/she knows him (which if its true, i would think is wonderful), but im pretty sure aguest doesnt know him so well that he/she can predict with full certainty what God will do or not do in every situation. Im sure there are still things he/she doesnt understand about god which would leave.. an element of mystery. I mean, even those prophets in the bible used to keep saying they didnt understand. Yet they were close (friends?) of God.

I like your comment that we should spend time focusing on Jesus Christ. I must admit, that i am finding it difficult to trust someone I dont know/understand. I think what really gnaws at me is not so much that there is suffering in the world (because i know with or without the devil, we will still have suffering), but that it doesnt make sense to me to knowingly keep someone (or something) around that you know full well at this point intends to make things worse and is doing a great job at it. I would LIKE to trust him, but how can i knowing he would do such a thing?

Please dont get me wrong. I dont want to make people dislike him, Im just searching for the truth. Even if its not what I like, at least "this is how it is," you know?

Good morning aguest!

Thank you so much for your reply. I did as you suggested and read through Job. I must say, it was quite painful to read but I did my best to get through it, lol. I found that according to this story it seems job did not curse god to his face, but he certainly blamed god for all those bad things happening to him. I dont know if it counts but seems like to an extent the devil was right about him. True, he seems to not have cursed him (we dont really know because whoever wrote this could have left things out), but he did blame god for those things happening to him. At this point I would ask you if we are supposedly only answering the challenge of cursing god, but blaming him is ok? If blaming him is not ok, then it seems job failed the challenge because he blamed god for what happened to him?

My thought on this matter is this (this is only my opinion, which could definitely change ), that satan will keep making challenges, accusations, oppositions, etc. and for many of them he probably is very well right. I believe that is why we have jesus to, i guess help us in our time of need because he knows we cannot really answer the devil. We are sinners and therefore, we will sin. So it doesnt make sense to me to keep him around knowing thats all hes out for. We will all probably fail satans challenges one way or another. I guess thats where gods mercy comes in. And like you said, it seems the only one who could answer him was jesus.

You have an interesting point that the devil must be weakened before he can be destroyed. If thats true, why cant he be jailed until that time? Put him in some kind of prison (since he isnt going to repent anyway) and let him get weaker and weaker until its time for the burning? I can understand that he supposedly cant destroy him right now (i mean you no disrespect, im only saying it this way because i myself dont know about these things), but i dont see the point in letting someone who has clearly made himself an enemy go about in the earth and do whatever dastardly things hes doing. I mean, is it really necessary that he is left here? Is there really a good reason for leaving him here to weaken as opposed to being locked up in some prison?

I do think patience is a good thing, but what good is patience if there is no good point to it? We try to lock up people whom we deem as dangerous for the general safety of others. Why doesnt god do this with satan?

Hope your morning is going well. Much love.
Geri

Hiya



Eventually, yes he did, when the outcry was so great.
No one was "killed on the spot" the moment a sin was commited.



Satan is not God's adversary because, in his own twisted way, he believes what he is doing is right by God, he is showing how undeserving we are to be in God's grace.
His ( and his followers)rebellion was caused by wanting to be rulers, gods really, because he believed that humans should be ruled by "angels" because we are so undeserving.
In his pride and arrogance he became "human" and paid the price.
His followers int heir arrogance, passed themselves off us gods, demanded human sacrifices and lead mankind into horrific wars and all sorts of evils.
He/they are enemies of God, yes, but far more truly they are our adversaries, our accusers.



It does not fall on God NOW, to end Satan's influence over us, it falls on US.
We have the power to stop him and his cohorts.
We know right from wrong, period, an that is the power we have and the power he wants to exploit.
When we do what is wrong KNOWING it is wrong, he wins.

Greetings, dear Geri, and peace to you! Somehow I missed this, so I apologize for the delay in responding!



You are quite welcome and great! I'm glad you did (although I'm a little "nervous" as to which Bible version you used - LOLOLOL!).



Painful... in more than one way, yes? LOLOLOL! I mean as to the length and prose, LOLOLOL!



I can see where you would see "blame", and while that's true, I don't think it was with a negative connotation (as is often associated with the word "blame"). I agree that he believed God was responsible, even directly, for what had happened and was happening to him, yes.



I guess if BLAMING God was the accusation... yes, perhaps, it would have counted. But that wasn't the accusation, dear one. The accusation was that Job would literally CURSE God... and to His face. This is an INTENTIONAL act, with a purposeful motive. Even so, who of us haven't blamed God for "something" that has occurred in our life or someone else's? Something that went "wrong" or did not occur as we had hoped ("Well, I guess it was/wasn't God's will!"). Some folks even "blame" God for the death of loved ones, even babies.

That "blame," however, isn't meant or considered to be from a negative POV (God took him/her to be an/with the angels!") but more of an acceptance of what the individuals BELIEVES to be "God's will." And that was the case with dear Job: merely an ACCEPTANCE of what was occurring, good OR bad, as the will of God, even perhaps from God. But in NO way was it meant to be a curse or affront to God.



We ALL blame God, dear one, at some time or another, whether knowingly, unknowingly, directly, inadvertently, purposefully, accidentally, what have you. As children, as adults. Again, though, that we would BLAME God was not the challenge. I could THINK you did something that you didn't, and so blame you... but that would not equate to me cursing you. Of course, I could blame... AND curse... you.

My thought on this matter is this (this is only my opinion, which could definitely change ), that satan will keep making challenges, accusations, oppositions, etc. and for many of them he probably is very well right. I believe that is why we have jesus to, i guess help us in our time of need because he knows we cannot really answer the devil. We are sinners and therefore, we will sin.

The Adversary will, yes... for not forever. And yes, we DO have Christ to help us when we sin. The challenge wasn't that we wouldn't SIN, though, dear one. Of course, we will sin. We have, since Adham, and will so long as we are in the vessel of flesh with ITS blood. But you misunderstand: there wasn't a CHALLENGE. There was an ACCUSATION. And no, they aren't the same thing (and no semantics involved). A "challenge" says, "I dare you; maybe you will, maybe you won't. Let's see." That wasn't/isn't the issue raised, dear one. What was raised was an ACCUSATION... and one that says we WILL. Period. Without exception. That when things are go BAD, we WILL... literally... curse God to His face. You MUST understand this difference.



It doesn't need to make sense to US, dear one, but to the One who will bring the Adversary to his end. The same as in this world: we might have a loved one who's been harmed by another who is brought to justice. Neither the process nor the end result need make sense to US, as we are neither judge nor jury. Victims, perhaps, but just like we have to put our faith in OUR human justice systems, how much MORE in the MOST HOLY One of Israel? And I can say that due to having gone to law school (I mean no boast). What I mean is that many time "we" think the process is unjust or the system not working; however, "we" don't always know the details... or the protocols/procedures/workings OF the system. When you DO, you tend to have an entirely different POV... and outlook. Same as to God's "process" in THIS matter.

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When he is weak enough for THAT, he will absolutely be "jailed." Revelation 20:1-3 But just like the people called for Barabbas' release, his will be called for, too. And so he will be, but, as with the release of Barabbas, to the great detriment of the people who call for it. (Revelation 20:7-9) What YOU must ALLOW yourself to understand is that there IS a process that must be followed... for the safety of others... and so that justice is ACTUALLY served, and not just LOOK like it was.



I understand. But truly, the energy it would take to "consume" the Adversary would also destroy everything else. Please don't look at this as if it must be a huge event kind of thing (although it will be). Think of the energy unleashed when just a single atom is "smashed." And the resultant destruction.



I understand. But, please forgive me, I mean absolutely NO disrespect, but I have to ask: do you really think it's of any matter to the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... that YOU see the point? I don't think Mr. Obama, or the North Korean emperor... heck, your governor... perhaps not even your mayor... maybe not even some of your neighbors... are concerned at to whether you see the point in things within their purview. Again, I mean no disrespect. What I mean is that WE don't have to GET the point. The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, does not answer to us. He knows what HE'S doing... and whether WE see/get it or not is really quite irrelevant. On the other hand, there are those who DO see the point; even so, it's of no concern to JAH.

It is important to understand this, dear Geri. Because failing to do so is arrogance. It means we really think we are much bigger than we actually are, in the grand scheme of things. Again, we are only one person out of... billions... living today... and at least a billion more that have come and gone... and a gazillion of spirit beings.



I am NOT being flip here, not at all, but my response is... apparently so. Else, he wouldn't be. Now, WHY that's necessary... I've tried to explain: what it would take... and do... to be rid of him. I think it can be summed up in our own (well, my country's) so-called position that better to let one guilty person go free (even if they kill again)... than to punish one innocent person. Any that the Adversary harm CAN be restored by JAH. However, again, any destroyed by the energy that would destroy the Adversary CANNOT be brought back. Like him, they would be UTTERLY destroyed: in body AND spirit. Matthew 11:28



His time to be locked up is coming, dear one. Realize that in comparison to OUR lifespan, it seems as if he's held sway a long time. To spirit beings, however, it's only been a matter of days. Really: time is not the same for them. I understand that some might not like to think of us as merely "ants," but if one considers our lifespan in comparison to that of spirits beings... we may not even be ants.



I am not sure we can say there is no good point to it, dear one. That (some of us) don't see that point now doesn't mean it isn't a good one. For ME, I don't want ANY to die, either. So I hope JAH takes all the time He needs to get this done RIGHT, and once and for all. That some, including myself and/or those I love have to suffer in the meantime... well, while that's hard, yes, I absolutely believe in the resurrections, both the first and the second. So, even if we die before it all comes to a conclusion, I look forward to living when it's all over. If I get to live THROUGH it, well... I dunno. Maybe I don't want to. I don't know.



When we can... and when it isn't a danger to others, yes. The events today in Boston show how with some situations, GREAT patience is necessary... with others necessarily losing THEIR freedom in the meantime. All so that more are kept safe than are harmed, indeed, with the hope that no more than necessary... and possibly no one... is harmed. Same idea, dear one. Just taking a little longer. Given that we're talking about forces MUCH greater than our tiny little world, that should be understandable.



When it is able to be done without unnecessary harm to others, it will be. NO doubt. Indeed, it is as good as done. I realize that that might be of no comfort to YOU, but it is true.

Please know that you can always take your concerns to the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), dear Geri. Perhaps he can share more with you that will serve to put your heart at ease, if not perhaps answer your questions entirely. I think he can and would, if you just went to him. In the meantime, I hope this helps, truly.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Hi everyone,

I appreciate everyone's comments. Life gets so busy sometimes I don't get the time to write on this board as much as I would like.

I had a couple of thoughts for you aguest (hope you are doing well, smile).

You mentioned that when Satan is weak enough for it, he will be jailed. I find this belief a bit disturbing because it sounds like you are suggesting that Satan is too strong to be jailed. Now God, after all, is said to be mightier than Satan. So this belief of Satan needing to be weakened would suggest that God, somehow, isn't strong enough to overpower Satan or God somehow is unable to build/fashion a prison that is strong enough to hold him. This would seem to suggest a sort of incompetence on God's part.

Wishing you all a good week (smile).

I AM doing well, dear Geri (good morning and peace to you!). Let's take a look:



I understand the disturbance this may cause you. May I ask, do you recall that Satan warred with Michael? Why didn't JAH just "kill" him instead? The issue isn't his physical strength, however, but the "energy" involved. When they warred, the event took place outside of our realm. So our realm was not affected. The Adversary now exists in our realm (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; Revelation 12:9, 10), though, and "warring" with him HERE could prove detrimental to US, flesh with its blood, due to amount of energy that would be involved. Once he is sufficiently weakened, however, there need be no war (from the spirit realm) with him. He will KNOW he cannot win against his jailer. Once he is loosed, he knows that HE also can no longer war with US (Revelation 12:17) and so he simply misleads others (Gog and Magog) to do it (Revelation 20:7-9).



(Smile) Now, see, dear Geri, that is one of the problems: how earthling man THINKS (and please don't take my use of caps fromt this point on as yelling? I am NOT, but only emphasizing and caps are just an easier way for me to do that - thank you! ). "We", humans, immediately assume that there is some lack on the part of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, that because He doesn't "do" something, He CAN'T do ANYTHING. That He is WEAKER. Dear one... ALL things that have been permitted to play out is for OUR... MAN'S... BENEFIT. We don't SEE that, though... because of OUR way of thinking, our way of looking at things. It is so limited, so self-serving. Because we are primarily SELF-serving, then, we cannot fathom that another is self-LESS when they DON'T (appear to) act.

We have NO idea the amount of energy it took to create the physical universe. I mean, we SAY we do... but, save being a nuclear chemist/physicist by profession, we actually have very little idea. Really, even they don't have a REAL understanding. Because we (lay people) DON'T understand that OR what existed BEFORE, then, we don't understand the amount of energy it/they/HE took/possess(es). We don't know what THEY consist/were created of, but only what pertains to OUR world. That... is a huge mistake on our part.

As Peter wrote (per the NIV and some other versions):

"JaHVeH is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Let's look at from another version (KJV):

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Some versions translate that "patient with you," and "long-sufferig us-ward", as:

"long-suffering toward us" (NKJV)
"patient for your sake" (NLT)
"forbearing toward you" (RSV) - to "forbear" means to NOT do something you CAN, or do something you don't HAVE to
"longsuffering to you-ward" (ASV)

The problem is the world's understanding of the Greek word shown for "repentance" (metanoia)... due relying on what those who CLAIM to know... but do NOT... but lean upon their own understanding as to the word, rather than ASK Christ, the Holy Spirit, what he and JAH meant for Israel to understand by means of it. As a result, most... including such claimants... don't know what repentance TRULY is. It is NOT, as many believe and teach, just feeling "bad" about something one has done which feeling leads to the cessation of doing such again. It is TURNING AROUND... in mind, heart, body, and spirit... so as to COME TO KNOW... and so come TO... the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. "Know" as in being ONE in spirit (as a man and woman are one in flesh!). Which one does, come to now and come to JAH... THROUGH Christ: the "Door" (John 10:9; 14:6).

Why come to/know Him in this way and for the purpose of this verse? So as to come under HIS protection... from the results of HIS war with those misled BY the Adversary upon his release from the abyss. Because it is being under that protection, which is had by being "IN" the "Beloved City, New Jerusalem"... that SAVES them from the FIRE... the GREAT amount of ENERGY... from HIM... that destroys those who DO come to war with His people, those who make up that Beloved City, the NEW Jerusalem. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 20:8, 9; )

At the time this all takes place, protection (from the great energy, the "fire" from JAH) will only be found for those INSIDE her "gates." All those outside... are destroyed. It is the same situation, but on a MUCH larger (global) scale same as occured with the three (3) Hebrew young men whom Nebuchadnezzar sought to destroy by great fire. These were protected by a being whose energy was greater than the fire created by Nebuchadnezzar's men, a fire SO hot, the men outside were destroyed. But the three were not. The combined energy of those who make UP the New Jerusalem will also serve as a protection for THEM, when JAH's fire/energy is used to destroy Gog/Magog.

But, in order to BE protected, such ones MUST be "connected" to the power SOURCE... which is the Tree of Life. Christ. They MUST be "branches" in HIM so as to be a PART of the greater energy that can withstand what comes down upon Gog/Magog. (John 15:1-7) He, though, resides in the MIDST of the City, so one must be granted entry INTO so as to become a PART of the "city"... in order to BE protected.

The MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, is not going to let ANYTHING happen to His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... and so not to anyone IN UNION with that Son. He allowed the Adversary to "kill" His Son once, but only temporarily so that OTHERS could become part of that Son... on the basis of their FAITH in that One. But He won't allow it again. Not against the Son... or any who are in union with, and thus "branches" in the Tree (of Life) that that Son is.

I hope this helps, dear Geri, truly. JAH is not slow; He is merciful. As with the Flood, He is allowing time for all who WISH to to get on the "Ark" of His NEW Covenant... with Israel and all of mankind. Eventually, though, the "Door" (that is Christ) WILL be closed and those not inside will be left to become part of Gog (Matthew 25:41-46).

For NOW, though, that Door stands open. To you and to all of mankind. May YOU, then, be given ears to hear, if you truly WISH them, when Christ, the Spirit... and his Bride... say to YOU:

"COME! Take 'life's water'... the holy spirit of God, which spirit is poured out from the innermost part of His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... and is the blood of God, granted to man THROUGH Christ and will result in the "white robe" that ALLOWS one to enter... FREE!" (Revelation 22:17; John 3:5, 6; 1 Corinthians 15:44-50)



Wish you the same, dear one... and peace (to you)!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Hi Aguest/Shellama,

I wanted to thank you for your explanation. I am not sure if its true, but a portion of it sounds true at least (smile). My remaining question is when you said that there was some kind of war in heaven and Satan was put here, why was he put here instead of a prison? If this Michael person was strong enough to fight him, why didn't he just lock him up? Was Satan too strong to be locked up? Was there no one was strong enough to jail him or no jail available yet that can contain him?

Thank you in advance.