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Greetings and peace to you all and to your households!

During the night, I received from my dear Lord, JAHESHUA, who is the Holy (Spirit) and Son of JAH, the MOST Holy, that the term, "Babylon the Great," is inaccurate. The current translation states the name this way in virtually every Bible version, using the Greek word megas (G3173) to get the term "great." As we were speaking, though, my dear Lord used a term that translated differently. His term was "Babylon the Greater," which I understood to mean the greater Babylon. This is because the actual Greek word used was not megas, but meizon (G3187) which is an irregular comparative of megas (once again, the scribes, who haven't a clue, mistransliterated a word).

As I listened, he shared that this term is accurate because just as, due to their lack of faith, adulterous hearts, and rebellious actions, including worshipping false gods... and/or living double lives, the Father allowed Judah to go physically into captivity to the ancient Babylonian empire of the Chaldeans, so too He has allowed Israel the same fate spiritually.

During captivity in ancient Babylon the conduct of physical Israel got worse, not better. And so JAH called for His people to get out (Ezekiel 1:2; 8:6, 9-17; Isaiah 48:20; Jeremiah 50:8).

Since Christ, Israel... the true Israel, that by spirit, not flesh... has also been allowed to go into captivity to a "Babylon," due to their lack of faith, their adulterous hearts, and their rebellious actions, including, yes even today, worshipping false gods... and/or living double lives (Revelation 13:10). And most of us were among them.

But that same drama is playing out today - Israel is being called out of "Babylon" yet again, and has been for some time. Some have heard that call... and come out... praise JAH! Many, very many, though, have not. Either they've heard the call but ignored it, rejecting its promise of TRUE freedom (John 8:32, 36).

Or they've been unable to hear the call (Proverbs 8:1-9:12; Matthew 11:27-30; John 7:37-39; 10:1-5, 16, 27) due to listening to the very loud "voice" of "boisterous woman" and her "daughters," these of strangers," which voices overtalk and drown out the call (Proverbs 9:13-18; John 10:5).

Some heard, as well, and came out, but have stood close by, either out of a "Israelite Post Egypt/Lot's Wife" yearning for what was behind (Genesis 19:26; Numbers 11:4-6; Lu 17:32; Heb 10:38)... or an Israelite Pre-Promised Land fear... of the unfamiliar and/or unknown (Numbers 13:25-33; 14:14; Deuteronomy 2:26-33). This fear... and its subsequent reluctance resulted in the generation that left Israel dying... just before the entire nation crossed the Jordan back into the Promised Land. And so not gaining entry into that great promise.

If you are (still) in captivity... get out... and get truly free (John 8:32, 36).

If you are out... apply your faith and overcome your fear... and get to the "mountain," Zion, upon which sits the NEW Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22-25).

May any with ears hear... and who are truly wishing and thirsting... hear and get the sense of these truths... and when the Spirit and his Bride say to YOU:

"Come! Take Life's (John 14:6) water... the blood, breath, and seed of the MOST Holy, JAH of Armies... which "water," holy spirit , is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son, the Holy Spirit and Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJAH)... FREE!"

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

May you have peace!

Yes, that makes so much sense!

The original Babylon was a physical captivity; the Greater Babylon is a spiritual captivity.

(We have so many 'physical' examples from the past that are representative of spiritual realities. We have them in the good things: the Temple (how the physical Temple helps to show us the spiritual realities), which had a Holy Place that one needed to pass through before coming to the Most Holy Place. Wherein the Holy Place represents the Holy ONE (Christ Jaheshua) and the Most Holy Place represents the Most Holy One (God, JAHVEH). Just as no one comes to the Most Holy except through the Holy, no one comes to the Father except through the Son. (John 14:6) We also have Joseph, Pharaoh and the grain representing Christ, God and holy spirit (the breath, blood, seed of JAH) which the people needed in order to have life.)


One need only turn to CHRIST, exercise faith in Him, obey HIS commands (John 14:21), and listen to HIS voice,

"Come out of her, my people!"


And come to Him! (Matthew 11:28, 29; John 6:37)





May anyone who wishes be given ears to hear as the Spirit and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who thirsts "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"


Thank you for sharing as you have received, my sister!



May you all have peace, and your households,
your servant, sister and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Greetings my sisters,
May you have peace!

Jah and Christs are truly wonderful and their mercy and pity upon us is great. What a wonderful invitiaion extended to ALL!

All of us that have have been captive or still are!

ISAIAH 49:8-13

This is what JAH says: “In the time of my favor I will answer you, and in the day of salvation I will help you; I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances, to say to the captives,

‘Come out,’ and to those in darkness, ‘Be free!’ “They will feed beside the roads and find pasture on every barren hills.

They will neither hunger nor thirst, nor will the desert heat or the sun beat down on them. He who has compassion on them will guide them and lead them beside springs of water.

I will turn all my mountains into roads, and my highways will be raised up.

See, they will come from afar— some from the north, some from the west, some from the region of Aswan.

Shout for joy, you heavens; rejoice, you earth; burst into song, you mountains! For JAH comforts his people and will have compassion on his afflicted ones.


Yes! This is happening!

Listen! Get out of her! The greater Babylon, the spiritual captivity.
While there is still time.

May you be given the ears to hear the sprit and the bride say, " Come!" Take lifeswater for FREE!
Those of us that have been afflicted for so long, allow the true healing that comes from JAHeshua, so that we may find refreshment from our Lord never hungering or thirsting again.


Love and peace to all of you and your households,
Your sister fellow servant and slave of JAHeshua Mischajah,
kim

Thank you for sharing this Shelby, peace sister! And to you sisters have responded also.

Interestingly this weekend I was given 2 opportunities to share our Lord, to spend my talents...1 person could only accept truth if I conceded to a religion for mine and was truly stuck...the other seemed to "get it" and actually when I told her to 'Come, and drink life's water free!' it was evident she wants to. I hope so and I pray that the master makes both these seeds grow. But that boisterous woman and her daughter's do definitely have people ensnared.

In any case it's a huge privilege to be able to share. Praise Jah!

Your servant, sister & fellow slave of Christ

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Greetings, dear Loz, and peace to you! I totally understand how one can seem to be stuck at this point. Perhaps maybe sharing that there has only been one form of "religion" that has been sanctioned (verb) by the MOST Holy and that was the form established through Moses which included a Law Covenant and ritualistic priesthood from the line of Aaron, the brother of Moses... and that form was eventually rejected by the MOST Holy Himself, due to its corruption, deceit, oppression of it's people and, ultimately, utter spiritual adultery and worshipping of false gods/idols... which rejection was established through... and based on the rejection by its adherents of... His Son, the Holy (Spirit)... whom He (God) personally appointed as High Priest.

Otherwise, yeah, you're stuck - LOLOLOLOL!

Peace to you, dear sister!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Lol Shelby thank you for that excellent reasoning!

You're right of course, unfortunately the person is the one "stuck" and she can't/won't accept anything that doesn't come via her religion. She hoped I shared that religion but when I didn't she kept reassuring me that's where 'truth' lay. Hence she's stuck or trapped and can't hear/listen to real Truth because she doesn't WANT to? She wants to keep her religion.

Sad, but unfortunately true of so many as your opening post states.

Peace & love to you sister

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I must be dense. Not sure what the implication is between saying "the greater Babylon" vs. "Babylon the great". Care to elaborate?

Peace to you leaving!

I understood that as in the lesser Babylon (which took Israel into physical captivity) and the greater Babylon (which takes Israel into spiritual captivity).

Like the Temple.

The physical Temple that Solomon built (and that was later rebuilt) would be the lesser temple. The greater (and true) Temple is the Body of Christ.


I think the distinction between "great" and "greater" helps to emphasise the similarities between the two "babylons" (one being physical and the other being spiritual; and would not the spiritual captivity be the greater captivity, since it is the spirit that counts?). This distinction of greater (rather than merely great) may also help some people to get a clearer sense of what spiritual captivity looks like (by looking at the physical example of the 'lesser' babylon), and so also realize that this earlier Babylon was indeed a physical example of the spiritual captivity to come.


Not sure I helped, but that is what I understood.


Peace again to you and to your household,
your servant and sister and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

So, essentially, the greater Babylon doesn't so much represent a thing/entity as it does a condition. In other words, one couldn't point to, say, the Roman Catholic Church and say, "that's Babylon the great" or point to all of so-called false religion and say, "that's Babylon the great". Do I have that right?

Define, then, spiritual captivity. In what way? Not being facetious here. I'm currently not part of any denomination and have a hard time considering even going in that direction. However, there is that "body of Christ" thing, and the "not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together". In other words, having an assembly of true members of Christ is, in my mind, appropriate. There are many denominations and even some non-denominational groups that very much point to Christ as the only way. Are we to say that if we are part of any of those, we're in spiritual captivity? Where is the line in the sand, so to speak, as to what spiritual captivity is verses freedom?

Peace to you Leaving!

I apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding your concerns.



I am not sure 'condition' is quite right as a description except as a means of describing being in captivity (captivity would be a condition). BTG is an entity. She is the 'city' of people who have promised themselves to Christ (who claim to belong to Christ, to be the Bride) - but who are instead unfaithful to Him. She is not the Bride, but she claims to be.

So BTG is as much an "entity" as the actual Bride (the city of New Jerusalem) is an entity. New Jerusalem is also a city made of people: but these people actually are the Bride, members of the Body of Christ, belonging to Him.




Yes, that is correct.

[Not all religions even claim to be in union with Christ. BTG claims that she sits as a queen (because she believes herself to be married to the king - that King is Christ). We can know this is Christ because she claims that she will never be a widow, that she will never mourn - and that would be true only if she were married to a king who would never die. This King is Christ.]


The RCC, the WTS, the LDS, the Anglicans, the Baptists, etc, etc... these would be the "daughters" produced by BTG.

(all religion is false, btw.)




1 - The Body of Christ is the Bride (the New Jerusalem) - made of PEOPLE who are in union with Him (by means of holy spirit). These people have Christ as their Leader; they all listen to Him, look to Him, follow and obey Him, love HIM, have union with Him.

Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 1Corinthians 12:27

And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, which is His body. Ephesians 1:23

And he is the head of the body, the church Colossians 1:18


This Church is not a religious organization or denomination. The Church is the PEOPLE who are members of the body of Christ with Christ as their Head, Teacher, Master, Lord. This Church is the Bride, the New Jerusalem.



If one were to turn to and join the RCC instead, then they would now be in union with the RCC (and her kings - popes, bishops, priests, etc... in fact, I recently learned that the RCC priesthood is not even considered to be the bride, but is instead considered to be 'bridegrooms' to the bride; talk about trying to take the place of Christ! There is only ONE Bridegroom: Christ Himself!) Such one would now be listening to the RCC, obeying the RCC, giving their faith and their love to the RCC, turning their eyes and ears and heart toward the RCC - and AWAY from Christ.

Then they would be part of BTG - claiming and even thinking themselves to be the Bride, but being unfaithful to Christ.


2 - Technically we do gather together; online (like this forum) or in homes, etc. But I am sure you would agree that we should not join some 'daughter' simply so that we have other people to physically gather with. Christ should come first right? His words should come first. He did not tell us to join any religion. He calls to us to come to Him. To follow Him.

(On top of that, this verse may be referring instead to the gathering IN of ourselves (and so building UP the body of Christ).)



All of those denominations carry in them some of the uncleanness (lies) of the daughter before them. All religions (including the self-proclaimed "Christian" religions) have some truth and some falsehood in them. (if there was no truth in any of them, how would they be able to mislead those who are seeking the truth, even the elect?) The trinity; hellfire; the bible being the Word of God; even the name "Jesus"; etc... these are false teachings. The people in these religions believe the lies (or accept them so as to remain in the group for whatever benefit that brings to them); even to the point of no longer being able (no longer even wanting) to see or hear or receive the truth from the TRUTH (Christ) - something they will not be able to do unless and until they turn to CHRIST and Christ alone.

"Stop touching the unclean thing and I will take you in."

To come out of BTG we must come out of all of her daughters as well.

Then we must come to Christ.

(Some LOVE their chains and would not want to break them. They prefer the 'lie' and the 'Jesus' their religion teaches, and so they are permitted to go into captivity and remain there. Captivity such as JW's being captive to the WTS.)



Did that make sense or answer your question?



Peace again to you Leaving and to your household,
your servant and sister and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Oh, sorry, dear Loz (peace to you, dear sister!) - I misunderstood "who" was "stuck." THANK you for clarifying and I do see all of your points!

Dear, dear Leaving... peace to you and your dear household... and I can add nothing to what dear Tammy (peace to you, too, luvee!) shared here, except to clarify further that the "gathering" is not assembling per se Isaiah 1:13, 14; Amos 5:21-24) but, as dear Tammy shared, the gathering of the Body, as our dear Lord AND his Bride do (Revelation 22:17). If it were gathering as in assembling, our dear Lord would not only have told us, but regularly done so with the disciples. But he did tell us to go seek out those "deserving," did he not, and send ones out to do so... to "gather" to HIM such ones?

Were it about gathering for the purpose of assembling together, dear brother, in doing so outside those of the Body are we not just touching the unclean thing... but being UNEVENLY "yoked"? If we are the temple of God, what sharing do we have with those who are NOT "living stones," those who are faithLESS (which is the correct word, vs. "unbeliever" as some Bible versions erroneously state at 2 Corinthians 6:14, 15)??? Do not ALL who have their faith IN Christ... IN him as the Holy (One/Spirit) and as God's ONLY Word... receive his anointing ([b[Luke 11:13[/b])? Because they hear... listen to... and follow HIM (John 10:3-5, 16, 27; 14:23)? And so what sharing would such a one have with those who ignore that voice, overlook it, even reject it, for the voice of "strangers"? MANY "believe." We know even the demons believe. But believing is NOT the same as [exercising] faith, is it?

I am not talking about those who've not yet responded to the call to take up his yoke, disown themselves, follow him, and drink from him - it's these that we are to "gather": those "wishing and thirsting." And if they are TRULY of those who belong to Christ, do they not OBEY... and COME OUT.... once they hear that "call" (John 7:37-38; 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18)? Because we are told, are we not, to "Get OUT of her, MY people!"?

So, if one remains IN "her," does such one truly belong to Christ? And if they do, will they not be rejected for their disobedience let alone their spiritual adultery? And will they truly not SHARE in her "sins"? Our dear Lord said they would, yes? So, to think otherwise, is not only to reject him... but is a demonstration of a LACK of faith in what he SAYS, yes?

But in everything else, our dear sister hit every nail on the head and said all that I would have (and I am SO proud that she did; GREAT response, dear sister!).

Dear, dear, dear ones, we can use all manner of "reasoning" to convince ourselves all manner of things, including that our dear Lord did not mean what he said and does not mean what he says to us now. We would be fooling ourselves, of course, but that is what hypocrites do, is it not - fool themselves, as well [as try to fool] others? We're not supposed to be that way, though - WE are supposed to walk IN the Light and IN [the] Truth (that is Christ). And the truth of that is that we cannot have it both ways, although it may seem so for a time - eventually, things will catch up. Always does, just as Christ said (Ecclesiastes 8:11-14; Matthew 10:26).

Is it hard? I have learned there is only one way that walking with Christ... in truth and light... is hard: if we lack faith in him. If we have fear, if we are concerned as to what others thinks of us, it we put others before him... we have greater love for ANYONE... or ANYTHING (except the Father)... than for him... in which cases our hearts are divided, our loyalties are suspect, our love is "wanting"... then, yes, it's hard. Because we choose a different master than him. And not only is the load of those other masters "heavy" and "unkindly"... one cannot slave for two masters (whether money, fame, popularity, acceptance, affluence, whatever is other "master"). Because as he SAID, we will love the one... and hate the other. He said this.

Question is, do we BELIEVE him? Do we have faith in HIM such that we KNOW what he said/says IS true and WILL be? Each one must reconcile that for himself/herself.

In the meantime, may those with ears hear and get the sense of this. May those lacking ears... ASK for them... so as to hear. Hear what? To start, when the [Holy] Spirit and his Bride say, so as to DO:

"Come! Take Life's (Christ's) 'water'... holy spirit, which is the blood, breath, and seed of the MOST Holy, JAH of Armies... which Christ is the only one authorized to dispense and share with whomever HE wishes, and grants to such ones to share further... FREE!"

Your servant, sister, and a slave of Christ,

Shel

Yes sisters! Peace to you both! I loved the way you expressed it all Tammy!

YSSFSoC

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Agreed!
Greetings and truly enjoyed the response dear Tammy, and may you ALL have our Lords peace upon you.


In other words, having an assembly of true members of Christ is, in my mind, appropriate. There are many denominations and even some non-denominational groups that very much point to Christ as the only way. Are we to say that if we are part of any of those, we're in spiritual captivity? Where is the line in the sand, so to speak, as to what spiritual captivity is verses freedom?



Isn't that the 'bait and hook' in all professed Christian religions? If they profess to be Christian, they have to stick " Jesus" in there some where right? Make it look like he's their leader. Heck, Jehovah's witnesses do this. Are they captive? Or are they free? They profess freedom in Christ huh? Yet don't even partake of him.

As shared, ALL religion is " the captivity" that sheep are led into. Isn't that the line in the sand? Whether you believe all of it or not, if you identify yourself with any of it, touch it any way, you are touching the UNclean thing. Therefore you cannot truly belong to Christ.

" GET it of Her ALL OF HER!" Pretty strong words don't you think?

Get out and take Christs yoke. Listen to Him! Take his life giving water for free! It is free and it is true freedom.


Love your sister fellow servant and slave of Christ,
kim

I'm not part of any religion anymore, however, I have to point out that in Revelation, there were seven churches that were given either commendation or stern warnings, which implies that there is some form of assembling together. In the first century, there were those churches in people's homes. Yes, you will say: our Lord said, "where two or three are gathered in my name...". I guess that begs the next question: what is considered a "religion"? If those of us here were to meet together in the same place face-to-face, I'm sure you're not saying that is unclean.

Peace to you all, my sisters and brothers!



Yes, thank you for explaining and clarifying this (and all the rest that you shared)!

This verse about 'gathering' is just one more verse that men (and religion) misinterpret and misunderstand and (mis) USE, in order to keep people in compulsion to them.

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Okay, Leaving, so the word being used is episynagōgē, and it appears to be used twice in the bible. Once here in Hebrews, and again at 2Thessalonians 2:

Concerning the coming of our Lord [Jesus] Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.


We can see that Paul is not speaking about assembling together (as in a meeting). He is speaking about being gathered to Christ.


The root word for "episynagōgē" is "episynagō", and is used again at Matthew 23:37:


“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing."


Christ is also not speaking of an assembly, but of gathering those children to Him, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings.



https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 1996&t=KJV




This is the gathering that we are to do, as Shelby (peace to you) said:





As the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say, "Come!" Let the one who hears, say "Come!" Let anyone who thirsts and anyone who wishes, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"



Peace again to you, and to you all, and to your households,
your sister and servant and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy