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May you all have peace,

In researching some things that are written, I was also reading through this prayer... when I began to hear this prayer as Christ gave it, for us... and feel the love He has for us in this prayer. Until recently, I had believed because of how it is written that this is the one prayer he gave publicly, as in, in front of his disciples, who are some of the ones he prayed for. I had not known until recently, that Christ went off to make this prayer on His own, as He always sought out quite/lonely places to pray, and so this prayer was between Him and His Father (albeit overheard by one who followed).


He did not make that prayer in front of men, to teach or let them know what was coming - He did that when He spoke to them. But He prayed to His Father for what He TRULY wanted... out of LOVE for those who belonged to Him then and those who would belong to Him (not that He said anything other than what was true, I don't mean that...). I just... wow. The love IN that prayer, the truth in what He felt and wanted for us.. is so awesome, and so humbling.

In case anyone else never read that prayer with those 'ears', I wanted to share this with you also.


May you all have peace, and love, as Christ gives these,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Changes EVERYTHING, does it not, dear tec (peace to you, luv!)? It is what I mean when I say let HIM "read" to you. When you do THAT... you are actually LISTENING... as HE reads TO you! Oh, that everyone had... WANTED... such "ears"! THAT is what would change the world: NOT just knowing/adhering to (some/most of) his TEACHINGS... but hearing HIM. DIRECTLY.

Imagine that.

Thank you for sharing this... and as always, PEACE to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Oh yes, it does change everything. Because you are hearing his voice... truly hearing his voice... and you can hear the love, the deep love IN Him, resonating in His voice... and how can anyone hear that, and not respond?! Not be filled, themselves, with love?


Peace to you,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

S'what I've been tryin' t'say, girl (peace, m'luv!). S'ALL's I been tryin' to say... for HOW long now? LOLOL!

And folks think we want others to follow/listen to US? Those who want that have never heard his voice. Not as a SPIRIT, anyway. Because if they had, there is NO way they wouldn't want others to hear it, too. You can NOT hear it... and not be like, "Hey! You! Hey... EVERYBODY! LISTEN to THIS guy speak! Hear what HE'S sayin', ya'll! S'not jus' gonna blow yo' MIND... but FILL yo' HEART! Fo' reel, tho'! It's "out of THIS world!" - LOLOLOL!

No, seriously - those who think folks like you and me would rather folks follow/listen to US... than listen to and follow HIM... haven't heard him speak. Nor have those who want others to follow/listen to THEM. Neither have ANY idea!

But only if they did... only if they did...

Love... HOPES all things... believes... all things...

Peace, dear, dear sister!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Feeling the love here y'all!!!

Your sister and fellow slave of our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah, Kim

Had time today to read along and listen to Christ Tammy. It's very powerful, so heartfelt.

The following words in verse 11 I've not noticed before, I found very interesting too:



Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

And THAT is why the RIGHT name is SO important, dear, dear Loz (mornin' and peace to you, dear one!). Some folks wonder "how" I know stuff. "Why" things work for ME but not others. "How" I can be SO sure of "stuff", while others aren't. I have tried, SO hard, not only to SHARE the RIGHT name(s)... but USE them. Because there is POWER... IN THOSE NAMES. It is THOSE (right) names that EVOKE holy spirit. And, as is said, "No can say 'JAHESHUA is Lord," EXCEPT by holy spirit! If one can SAY that, then... one can SAY holy spirit is OPERATIVE with them!

The WORLD, however, does not use these names, the name of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... OR the name of the One who came in HIS name (JAHeShua, the MischaJAH)... because they don't KNOW the name(s), know the One(s) whose names they ARE... or can RECEIVE either name. THEY are bound the names the WORLD uses: "Jesus," "Jehovah", "Adonai", "Elohim", "Allah", "Buddha," etc.

I have marveled... for YEARS... at why the TRUE names of God and Christ are SO difficult for some... most. I realize much of it is due to the "strongly entrenched" things they've learned, but I must admit that when it comes to folks who ask ME "Why can't I hear?"... "Why are YOU so 'special'?"

I... hear... BECAUSE OF THE NAME(s) I am CALLING upon. And I am not special - it is the One(s) WHOSE NAME(S) I am invoking WHEN I listen, pray, call out, speak/go into the spirit realm!

Dear, dear... DEAR folks: I have not, DO not LIE to you when I TELL you the name of the TRUE God... and His Son. You have WITNESSED... FOR YOURSELVES... what those names have allowed as to ME. What I hear and see! It is because I am actually approaching the TRUE Beings... and NOT the constructs of MAN.

In almost EVERY prayer of Christ that we have recorded in the Bible... he refers to HIS reference to the Father's NAME. There is a REASON for that, dear ones! So, do NOT let those who claim to/think they know tell you the name is NOT IMPORTANT - it absolutely IS!

How can Israel SAY "Blessed is he who comes in the name of [God]"... if they don't KNOW God's name?? Or the name of the One who comes IN God's name? Wouldn't they have to know the name of both? Shouldn't WE, then, know it?

You cannot be saved by calling on a name that you do not KNOW.

And because the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, would NEVER let HIS name be reproached by mere humans... He has not GIVEN that name to EVERYONE. Dear ones... He didn't even give it to ABRAHAM (initially)... but almost immediately revealed it to Moses! Why? Because ISRAEL needed to know the NAME of the God that was leading them OUT of slavery! Abraham wasn't in slavery - he wasn't "delivered". True, he listened to and allowed himself to be led to a new land by the True God, but there was no deliverance from his enemies involved. And there is a difference. Also, Abraham had FAITH... WITHOUT a name. FaithLESS Israel, however, along with obstinate Pharaoh... NEEDED to KNOW "WHO" it was they were rebelling AGAINST, and the latter as to Whom it TRULY was that saved THEM - it was NOT Moses; HE was only a tool USED by the One saving them.

And it is the SAME for mankind, and particularly US, those who claim to be of his Body. How can you be in union with, of the Body of, the Bride promised in marriage to... someone whose NAME... YOU DON'T KNOW????? How can you KNOW someone... whose NAME you don't even know???

So, what dear Loz has shared her is VERY important... and something I hope you ALL take to heart. Indeed, I am certain that there are some (here) who might even testify that it wasn't UNTIL they started using the RIGHT names... in prayer, in private discussion, perhaps even in OPEN discussion... that their HEARING abilities began to manifest even more! I know that that is the case with ME... and so I have tried, on MANY occasions to help you SEE: the name(s) are important. VERY important. Of UTMOST importance.

Because those who call on the name of, say, "Jesus"... are receiving... and will receive... only what THAT name evokes. Which is very little... as to the SPIRIT... if TRUTH be told. As to the fleshly, perhaps much is received. But the Son of GOD said the flesh "is of NO USE, AT ALL," but that the SPIRIT is what gives LIFE. So, if one wants a fancy house... or a fancy car... maybe fancy shoes... then, yes, "Jesus" is the one to call on. But then, that really shows "Jesus" is "part of the WORLD," does it not? Yet, Christ said HE was NO part of this world... nor are WE.

So, using the name(s) the WORLD uses... well, I'm not so sure that will get one who seeks the things of the SPIRIT... including the GIFTS of that spirit... what they seek.

Again, thank you, dear, dear Loz!

Peace to you, all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Yes, Loz, I used to wonder - and not understand at all - just what that part even meant. Even when you posted it, I wondered. Well, I heard and so knew, that this meant His name and His Father's name... but I still didn't 'get' it.





This makes sense to me.


Christ said that no one comes to the Father except through Him. He also said that no one has seen the Father, except the Son, and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. Would that not also mean His name, the name given Him by the Father, and the name of His Father?

Not in a 'special knowledge, we're special' kind of way. Not at all, not even remotely that. But simply faith. That one needs to be LISTENING to be able to hear and receive such from Christ, Jaheshua, Himself? Because people can hear His name from others who have heard (like you, Shelby) and who use and share that this is the name given to them, but that does not mean that all people who have heard this will receive and accept that name as being true. Perhaps they have to ASK, and then LISTEN, so that Christ can make them sure... since He is the One from whom the Father is revealed!


Peace to you both,
your sister and servant and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Although... I must add as I have just heard... that if His name (and His Father's name) had not been erased/changed/obscured from when He spoke that Name while in the flesh, then all (or those who had the opportunity to hear about Christ, however that opportunity arose) would know His name, and the name of His Father.



Peace to you all,
your sister and servant and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes, my spirit bears witness with this and with what you and Tammy have shared. Today I got the opportunity to talk to one of my children about listening to Christ, the importance of partaking, and other truths. What was wonderful was that I didn't 'tell' her things, I asked her questions (under the direction of our Lord Jaheshua) and her answers led her to the truths. For example when I asked her what Jah had asked us to do when He anointed Christ, she said "Listen to him" etc. I could hear things clicking into place in her mind, it was a joy. I will take it slowly as directed but I feel so thankful to have had this opportunity, as you can imagine. We touched on the names, but after this understanding from John 17 I can also see how very important it is that that knowledge is gained.

Great thread Tammy, thank you.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Loz, how awesome must that feel (while humbling at the same time, I know)... that you can now share the truth that Christ gives, with your children, rather than the so-called 'truth' of the wts?


I am so happy for you.


And you are of course welcome for the thread. I had to post it. I heard the love of our Lord in His voice to His Father when praying, and I couldn't NOT share that with all of you also! Kind of the point, isn't it? Thank you for sharing what you heard from His prayer, prompting even more understanding regarding the Name of Christ and His Father.


So there is that saying again... "iron sharpens iron"!


Peace to you and to your loved ones,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Because people can hear His name from others who have heard (like you, Shelby) and who use and share that this is the name given to them, but that does not mean that all people who have heard this will receive and accept that name as being true. Perhaps they have to ASK, and then LISTEN, so that Christ can make them sure... since He is the One from whom the Father is revealed!


Yes dear Tammy, this is true. It also doesn't mean they will use it even if they read it in the Bible.

The NWT has it written and right under their noses and yet they are not allowed to see it to be able to use it because of this very reason Shelby mentioned...

And because the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, would NEVER let HIS name be reproached by mere humans... He has not GIVEN that name to EVERYONE.

I remember him showing me Psalms 68:4 " Sing YOU to God, make melody to His name; Raise up a song to the One riding through the desert plains. As JAH, which IS his name, and jubilate before him."

I was like OMG, it's been right under our noses the whole time. The footnote on the reference even says, YAH for JAH.
And its everywhere in Psalms 146-150...

But because of what the WTBS is and does in the name of Jehovah, he does not allow them to " see it"...
therefore they don't use it.

So happy for you dear Loz that you are able to share with your children. I know how our hearts rejoice when we can be used to share with our children.

And I too long with you all for the day to come as Psalms 150:6 says when... " Every breathing thing...let it praise Jah. Praise Jah, you people!"


May you all continue to be blessed by our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah,
Your sister and fellow slave of him, Kim

I keep going back and listening to this prayer, and more and more is illuminated. There is such a pleading within it for our protection, as if we were children, which of course we are. But these words are intriguing me:



Imagine that, actually seeing the glory of Christ? And there is a great deal being said in that He wants us to see it. It matters to him that we do. I would imagine there will be benefit to us and to Him. Wow.


Peace
Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

This was a very interesting prayer.

First, it was very specifically tied to his CURRENT disciples back then. Why? Verse 20:
I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.

Second, JWs just need to let go. Why? Verse 11:
I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one .

WTBTS claims they are JEHOVAH'S witnesses. But, Christ clearly says his Father gave them to HIM. Of course, he prefaces this with (verses 9,10):
I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those whom you have given me, because they are yours; and all my things are yours and yours are mine, and I have been glorified among them.

Now, see, I hear that entirely different, dear LQ (peace to you!). I don't here it specifically tied to those current disciples at ALL, but to MORE than them. Because when I read those words, I hear my Lord saying:

"I make request, NOT concerning these ONLY but ALSO CONCERNING THOSE putting faith in me through THEIR word,  so that they may ALL be ONE..."

That you read/hear one thing... and I hear another... and the two are actually kind of opposite in context... is why we MUST listen to Christ himself tell us what he meant. I hear him saying that such words are NOT specifically tied to the current disciples... but to ALL who put faith in him because of what they heard FROM disciples... such faith BINDING them... us... ALL... into one (and not "them" and "us").

I hear that, though, because I am not relying on what my eyes "tell" me as I read, but on what I hear my Lord SAYING as HE reads TO me. Which is very important because, back THEN... there was NO punctuation or capitals, etc. There were no commas or periods, italics, underlines, bolding, etc., to tell us which words were stressed so as to EMPHASIZE a/the point. It was all written linearly and flat, so that one could actually read in a MONOTONE (which many DO) if they didn't understand where emphasis (and so, punctuation by today's standard, should be made.

Alternatively, it also left folks to interject their OWN "punctuation" and emphasis. As some might believe I do. That's how we get so many "interpretations" of what was said. When we rely on Christ himself, though, the One who spoke the words in the first, such as they are recorded.

I hope that helps!

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel