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JUST MOM SAID

Good Evening Everybody

So I have been asking and praying about this whole life in the bones etc. topic that’s been going on. And I have to say that I am going to take this leap of faith and share some pearls I have found along the way. I know we are on to something as a body to understanding further and I believe I have been given through holy spirit some pieces of this puzzle.

So I will start by sharing some verses I was directed to. Psalms 139:15 and I have attached them in various translations. "My bones were not hidden from you When I was made in secret, When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth."

So I am sitting here and asking and I hear "where is the lowest parts of the earth?" I'm thinking ….okay Hades? World of the dead? But being MADE not RESURRECTED?

I look up all the cross reference to this verse in Hebrew and this is what I came across.

Please check out the following link...

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex ... 4AC28CE78B

KJV
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

NKJV
My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

NLT
You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion, as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.

NIV
My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

ESV
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth.

RVR
No fue encubierto de ti mi cuerpo, Bien que en oculto fui formado, Y entretejido en lo más profundo de la tierra.

NASB
My *frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;

RSV
my frame was not hidden from thee, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.

ASV
My frame was not hidden from thee, When I was made in secret, [And] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

YLT
My substance was not hid from Thee, When I was made in secret, Curiously wrought in the lower part of earth.

DBY
My bones were not hidden from thee when I was made in secret, curiously wrought in the lower parts of the earth.

WEB
My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret, [and] curiously formed in the lowest parts of the earth.

HNV
My frame wasn't hidden from you, When I was made in secret, Woven together in the depths of the eretz.


So Hades is the womb of the mother considered the lowest parts or deep inside the earth and the earth is represented by Hagar and inside her womb is her seed.
This woman Hagar which represents the physical realm/earth (mother earth) is the same one that Adam came from.
Remember Jah corresponds to Abraham who had a free wife, Sarah and produced a free child by means of holy spirit. (Christ and Isaac) Abraham took Hagar who was a slave woman and had a son by means of the flesh/physical, not spirit therefore, he was not considered free. (Adam and Ishmael)

Jah took from the world of the dead, the womb of Hagar, her seed( remember it is just a holding place for seed/spirits that will be brought back to earth in the second resurrection/given physical bodies made from dust) and formed Adam from it, from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7)
He was a vessel of bones, sinews, skin, and flesh from the dust/physical but was still not considered "living" until "Jah BLEW into his nostrils (holy spirit/semen) the breath of life and THEN Adam became a LIVING SOUL" until then he was a dead soul.

When Adam disobeyed he was told "From dust you are (physical from your mother's womb Hagar/Hades) and to dust you will return."

He came from the world of the dead and he would return to it. Had he never disobeyed he would have never had to die and return to his mother earths womb.

It is this "womb" that is emptied out in Revelation 20: 13. It holds ALL of the seed of those who do not belong to the Christ and have holy spirit in them. (Jah's breath/semen) Those that do are the ones that are under the altar at Revelation 6:9-11.

Understanding this in physical terms as a mother we have a womb that houses our eggs or seed .When fertilized with semen a child grows. It exists in water in the womb feeding off the umbilical cord but never taking a breath (using lungs) It is concealed/shielded from the outside world here. The child is alive but not completely in a sense until it is BORN and takes its first breath. And it is not aware of the goings on in this realm.

Matthew 12: 40 tells us "that our Lord spent parts of three days in the heart (womb) of the earth." Yes he went to the world of the dead. That is where he" preached to the spirits in prison" who were the disobedient ones from Noah's day when the flood came. 1 Peter 3:19 &20.

Similar terms that I have come to hear and understand is … Ark, heart, womb, Hades, lowest parts of the earth. They all refer to a same place, a world not of this dimension,/ a vessel that protects, holds, conceals, shields life. Temporarily until brought back or resurrected.

Something else that is interesting and I do not completely understand it is this Genesis 6:16 Noah was told to construct inside the Ark, three stories. And the lowest story is from the same Hebrew word Hades or womb.
Now, I understand that many questions may open up, as it has led me to ask and wonder much more. Some things I am seeing a little clearer but I will be honest. I don't understand it all but I do know that it is opening more doors.

I would truly appreciate any comments and thoughts that any of you may have experienced or heard as I am just a fellow slave of Christ and servant also.
Okay…looking forward to any comments
Love to you all
JUSTMOM

LOZ SAID

Hello JustMom,
This is all very interesting...I like this translation of Psalm 139 in the Good News Bible

15 When my bones were being formed, carefully put together in my mother's womb, when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there - 16 you saw me before I was born. The days allotted to me had all been recorded in your book, before any of them ever began.

This highlights for me that before there was life/spirit in my bones per se that Jah 'knew' me, and therefore by extension when ones bones are dead he similarly 'knows' the person. They are not hidden from him in the earth? But rather are being kept safe in Hagar's womb.

Those are my first thoughts about this but I will ponder further and talk to my Lord about it. I seem to be unable to access the link that you've posted though.
Loz x[/b]
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ATALOA SAID



I'll say....lol

The first thing that threw me was the use of the word 'dead'. To me, dead means something that was once living, so it took me a while to try to understand what you meant.

Also you say that Adam was made with skin and I thought Aguest
said this was given him later after his sin?

Now, in speaking of the dead returning to the womb of the earth,
this makes me wonder if there really will be a resurrection as I
always thought - of the person you are at death. Resurrection
doesn't mean starting over from embryo does it?[/quote]

JUSTMOM SAID

Good morning Loz

I apologize as it was up last night. I had made a mistake and had Outlaw delete another thread and I think the link didn't transfer.

I went to blueletterbible.com typed it Psalms 139:15. Opened up the box that shows the word for word hebrew/greek and clicked on the #number that corresponds to the word "lowest". Then it comes up.

Sorry again bout that
Love Justmom

JUSTMOM SAID

Good morning Ataloa

Yes Adam was created with "skin"/flesh that could transcend the physical. He was given the same kind of flesh that the master had when he returned after his resurrection and walked the earth until he ascended to heaven and put off flesh.

That flesh wasn't the same as he had before he died. (Remember our Lord inherited marys flesh and took sin into it when he healed)

Then when he returned and appeared with his sinless/transcending flesh is why he was not recognizable to his disciples until he spoke or revealed himself to them.

Now the skin/flesh that Adam received after he sinned was the flesh that contained sin in it and he could no longer transcend it... to go in and out of the garden. He was "stuck" in it with its sin and death in it. Therefore dying from that day forward.

Hope this helps answer that question

Love Justmom

JUSTMOM SAID


Dear Ataloa


I need to clarify something as I was reminded by Spirit that Adam was created with skin/flesh from the earth that did not initially have sin in it. It was flesh from the physical/Hagar and blood from Jah holy spirit.
He was NOT immortal as he HAD to eat of the "life of Life" to live forever. As long as he ate from THAT tree which represented Christ he WOULD LIFE FOREVER and be able to have access to both the spiritual and the physical.

He had the same "kind" of flesh as did our Lord after his resurrection but was not immortal as our lord now was.

When he disobeyed sin entered into him/his heart. Sin exposed him (naked) and he was uncomfortable and hid. The garments of skin/flesh THEN was a covering with death and sin in it versus "NO" sin in it.(sinless).

That was the difference of the two kinds of flesh/skin.
First one was sinless flesh with holy spirit as His blood.
second one (after disobeying) was flesh AND blood with sin/death in it.

With the combination of sinful flesh and not being able to access the "tree" he would eventually die. So that is why he had to be kept out by the cherubs guarding the entrance.

I apologize I had said earlier a statement that he could not go back in and he could have is why it was guarded.

Any thoughts welcomed
JUSTMOM

ATALOA SAID

Thanks for your reply and the topic; it's interesting -
I just don't begin to understand it though.

JUSTMOM SAID



Thats as good question. It could be! As a embryo has been conceived and refers to the first 8 weeks. Although there is no form as to body or gender.

But doesn't even a seed have "some" life in it ? "A seed has to die in order to live again?" sorta thing...........

maybe resurrection can be even from the seed again used?

Not sure
any thoughts

Justmom

CHARIKLO SAID

I think what troubles me about this, is the emphasis on the physical instead of the spiritual.

I know you don't mean it like that, but that is how it's coming across to me. I don't know what more to say beyond that. Surely, Christ's words are enough. Aren't they?

Though, justmom, I do take and understand that you felt directed to that psalm, and I understand that, because at times I too have been directed to a particular psalm.

It may be that because my exposure to the JW's is very recent, I am just recoiling at any hint of delving into the Old Testament for special meaning.

JUSTMOM SAID

Dear Ataloa

I once again need to clarify a statement or two I made. It did not settle in well and a body member helped me to realize this.

The flesh adam had initially was sin LESS/ without sin and death in it. Therefore it WOULD BE immortal/ versus mortal or that which dies.
It was flesh and bones he had NOT skin mentioned in the bible.


After he sinned he was given a long garment of skin that had SIN and DEATH in it.

Again
Love JUSTMOM