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SKALLY SAID


I've been reading the thread over there, and here on your bone marrow revelation and have a serious question in relation to some saying they think this forum houses the makings of a cult leader:

What are your view and thoughts on David Koresh, Jim Jones and a plethra of others whom they too, said, and held a strong belief, that the lord spoke to them and/ or actually, tangibly showed them something that others could not, did not hear and/ or see?

Did HE speak to them just as He did you? Or are you all spoken to individually, with entirely different tones and texts?

I'm truly {stinks tongue out at Marvin} not throwing out bait here. I'm absolutely intriged now.

Thank you.

sKally

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

TEC SAID

I am torn between three reactions at the accusation that some are posing. Rolling my eyes, banging my head against the wall, or what your avatar is doing

But in all seriousness, cults have very definite warning signs. A discussion forum where people of like faith share and discuss their faith does not meet any of those signs.

No one here is a leader. No one here should follow anyone else... and that is always going to be stressed.

(Unless that One is Christ and God)

No one here is the life, the truth, the way, the word.

Those titles and truths belong to Christ, and Christ alone.

(I think my cab is here, gotta run, bbs)

Peace,
tammy

YPPUPLLEH SAID

David Koresh, Jim Jones, and the plethora of others did not have the moderators that we do here ;p
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

FINALCALL SAID

I can only speak for myself. Sometimes I receive (hear) something from Holy Spirit. Other times, someone else may say something and the spirit in me will bear witness to that saying. In this way I will know it is not something an individual thought of. But, is something from Holy Spirit. Most of the time I am only able to understand the importance of what was shared because Holy Spirit has granted me that understanding.

So, eventhough someone may have spoken the words. I am not following that individual but I am following the One that gave the individual the information to share. Just because someone may say something is from Holy Spirit does not in itself make it so. But, there may be a few others who will feel the Holy Spirit in them bear witness to the statement or understanding. Because of this witness they beleive, NOT because me or a specific individual is saying so.

I don't think I worded it the best way. But, I hope this helps a little.

Finalcal

A servant of Jaheshua who has helped guide me by Holy Spirit.

TEC SAID

ou worded that perfectly, finalcall.

(and that was not my cab, but I could not have said it better than finalcall anyway, so good)

Peace,
tammy

SKALLY SAID

Um, let's try this again before I log off and get ready for bed:



Thx. Good night.

YPPUPLLEH SAID

ill tackle this after dinner

JUSTMOM SAID




Good evening skally

My thoughts as to individuals that "claim" revelations or messages from God?
1. The motive and intent behind the claim.
2. The fruits/works that are produced from such claim.

If "GOD IS LOVE" therefore His son "IS LOVE" then those that belong to him will reflect that LOVE as individuals.

just a couple thoughts
justmom

AGUEST SAID



I would agree with what dear 'Mom stated, dear skally (peace to you, both!). I would take it a step farther and say, as to David Koresh and Jim Jones, I do not know what "lord" they spoke to (or spoke to them), but it was not the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJAH):

Mr. Jones is a given - take people off to a remote village, away from their families/loved one, prohibit them from leaving, even holding them at gunpoint, having his men shoot and kill others whom come to take those who WANT to leave home... and have a congregation of sheep drink poisoned kool-aid so that all died, in the flesh, right then and there? Where, pray tell, is the Christ in ANY of that? Since I can't SEE Christ in any of Mr. Jones' actions in these regards, I can't put Christ IN any of Mr. Jones' actions there.

Mr. Koresh is similar - while I don't know as much about his... ummmm... teachings... the "lord" that told him to gather a bunch of women and children, and even have sex with the young girls among them... isn't the Lord I know, love, and follow, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). Can't be. Why? Because where did Christ teach... or do... such things (gather women and young girls to be wives)? True, my Lord does have a "Bride," but such is in SPIRIT... NOT flesh... and made up of women AND men.

As for the "others," you would have to be more specific. I can tell you that if such one(s) did, said, or taught that ANYONE should be physically and/or mortally HARMED... their "lord" is a different one than the Holy One of Israel.

Now, do I judge such ones for what they did/taught/believed? No. That is what the "superior authorities" are for. I certainly in no way CONDONE what they said/taught/did... any more than I condone that by the WTBTS (which I believe is just a harmful but in a more subtle way - even still, lives are lost). I consider the WTBTS' harm even worse, though, because unlike Jones and Koresh, who killed/harmed the FLESH... the WTBTS leads folks to give up their ETERNAL life, their SPIRIT... by their blasphemy, their cursing the TRUE God... and/or by "shutting up the kingdom of the heavens" before them.



Please see above. I can confidentially say that whomever it is THEY claimed to be speaking to/hearing... is NOT the same One that I hear, see, know, and love. That One, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), is the LIFE... and so is ABOUT life... not death. Death is HIS enemy, as well as ours. He would never given one over TO death. To the contrary, he gave his life to SAVE all who put faith in him FROM death.

His is the GOOD news of the kingdom, dear Skal... not the "Bow down and cower before me and the men who SAY I sent them to you lest I burn you in/with some kind of fire" news that many, many want their fellowman to believe.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

QUENTIN SAID

What are your view and thoughts on David Koresh, Jim Jones and a plethra of others whom they too, said, and held a strong belief, that the lord spoke to them and/ or actually, tangibly showed them something that others could not, did not hear and/ or see?

They were loons. For whatever reason people had in follwing them is another very complicated issue. Remember, most of us came out of a cult. Whatever our belifes, or ideaologies now that is what draws us togather.

I am not a Christian, yet feel comfortable and at home amongst these folks. No cult here, just folks, some with very strong convictions, who feel the call of freedom to express themselves.
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Vinegar tasts better in freedom
than honey in slavery

How can you unterstand a thing unless you know it?
How can you know a thing unless you understand it?

AGUEST SAID

Thank you, dear Q (and peace to you!). We are excited, glad, and grateful for ALL who visit with us, here... christian/believer or not. We just don't want every discussion to be a malicious "battle" or never-ending argument. Waste of time, energy, space... and spirit!

Again, thank you... and peace to you!

A slave of Christ,

SA

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:52 am Post subject:
only religious charismatic leaders with compounds are cult leaders. no one here has a compound so we are safe

okay the real answer

I have no doubt that some "cult" leaders truly believe that they hear from God. Jesus was a cult leader. I know that the word "cult" has negative connotations that go beyond just simply a religious practice.

right now it's a word that is tossed around as an indefensible argument that belittles a group.

Jim Jones, in my opinion was a bit odd in the head. David Koresh and the Branch Davidians perished only when law enforcement went in and stormed the compound.

as for opinions that God never asks anybody to harm and such I only have to look to the stories of Abraham and Isaac or read the book of Job where it was a test. People can argue that at the last minute God stayed the hand of Abraham before the killing stroke. People can also argue that parts of the Bible are not of God but of man. in modern times, Abraham would
be imprisoned for child endangerment and seen as a religious crazy person for the near sacrifice of his son.

I don't see this group as a religious cult ;P. it may be a cult in the notion that its a forum offshoot of JWN . But we have people here that disagree with some ideas and thoughts. no one here is "brainwashed".

there are many organizations that are not religious where followers are killed and made to perform actions that are deemed unconscionable such as various militaries and advocacy groups like PETA.

there is no secrecy here. it's an open group. there is also no leader here. just like minded individuals that share a journey
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

YPPUPLLEH SAID

also I feel that I have to remind some people here that I am not an atheist
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TEC SAID



I knew that

Also, that was a great post. So... calming, lol.

Peace,
tammy

AGUEST SAID




Okkaaayyyy?? I agree, dear HP (peace, and I thought you were "agnostic" but glad you clarified - !). And apparently some families figured that out toward the end and wanted to leave... and couldn't. Hence, the attempted extraction by Congressman Leo Ryan... who got himself killed in the process.

Q

Yeah, that was a sad, sad travesty - didn't have to go down that way any the ATF and Justice Department should have been ashamed. I was SO mad at Janet Reno for that! However, several woman and girls who weren't in the compound at the time testified as to his... ummmm... "husbandly" conduct as to them.

Ennywho, we're not a cult here, no one's trying to start a cult... and if anyone's following ME... they had better cut it the frick OUT! I don't want or NEED followers. My dogs, husband, and kids are MORE than enough for me to worry about. If you want/have to follow someone... follow Christ. 'Cause he's the only one who can handle us all... and lead us all out of our messes - LOLOLOL!!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,