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| Author: | tec [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? Peace to you! I wanted to get some thoughts out there on this subject, because there are so many people who look to the bible as the image of God. To the point that they do not look to Christ at all, but rather they look to the law or to Moses or to the OT as the image of God... OVER... Christ. To the point that the bible has become a block to seeing and coming to Christ, and hence, His Father. But this is backward. What point would there be in having your Son come as the Truth; to come as your Image and Word, to tell people to listen to Him... if people already had the truth? If all that people needed to do was look to the OT or the law, or Moses? What point would there have been in Christ correcting former understanding and even teaching, if all that was taught and written in the past was correct? Why would he have said, come to ME, for life... and admonished searching the scriptures and thinking that by them they had life? If you claim to be a bible follower, then perhaps you give no part of it more credence than another part of it. But then, consider His teaching on searching the scriptures for life, rather than coming to HIM for life. Consider also, that you might have to twist some of the teachings of Christ to make them fit with something that is in conflict. Which, to me, defeats the purpose in Christ coming to teach us Truth. Some people (especially some atheists who use the OT to try and disprove God) find it very difficult to understand how someone can reject some parts of the bible that would be in conflict with the Image Christ gives, but not reject it all. Well: A) It is not an all or nothing book. It is not all scripture. Some of it is scripture, some of it law (and some of that is damage control), some of it is parable, some of it is moral teaching, some of it is poetry and song, and some of it is history and records. Some of it is investigation, and some of it is witness testimony. It is NOT inerrant. It is NOT one book, despite having been put in one binding. B) We, as Christians and disciples of Christ... are to follow CHRIST. We are not told, by Christ or God, to search the scriptures for Truth. We are told to go to Christ and to listen to Him. So for me, it is very simple. I listen to Christ. Nothing that is in conflict with Him or the Image He gives of God, can be OF God. Those conflicts could be an error in translation, or in previous understanding, or in our misunderstanding of the context today. So if I do look at things written in the OT, or elsewhere, I look with the understanding of God that I have received from His Image: Christ. I do not twist Christ's teachings to make them fit with something someone else has taught. Once again, that is backward. (Much of what i have come to understand about some things in the OT, such as the Adam/Eve account, I have learned in Spirit. Then, when i do receive understanding, i always kick myself, lol, because why did i not see it before? The understanding given is always in unity with the Image of God being loving and merciful, as Christ shows Him to be. I think we become so accustomed to seeing something a certain way, that we are blind to anything else... unless we are shown.) There is so much more that can be said on this topic, lol. But the bottom line is: Christ is the Image and Word and Truth of God. Nothing and no one else. So why listen to someone/something else over him? And why put even the bible above Christ, Himself? I do not think badly of the Bible. Other than that some use it to twist the teachings of Christ into anything they want them to be. I just understand that it is Christ who sheds light on previous teachings... and not the other way around. So look through Christ to understand God. Peace to you, tammy |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID Oh, and also... if you are listening to Christ, then you don't have to go back and compare his teachings to everything else ever taught or written. Because people have asked me (some mocking, some serious) why a person doesn't just go back and rewrite what is true or not. That is unnecessary and probably detrimental. Because it would then still be about rules on paper, rather than the Spirit teaching you from within. You just have to listen to Him, and live by His teachings. Peace, tammy |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
YPPUPLLEH SAID what if they are Jews? _________________ Love is a warm rubber puppy... |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID Well I would suggest that Jews don't think the bible is the image of God either, lol. Nor Christ, though. But that is between them and God. peace, tammy |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID Although to be precise, some Jews DO think that Christ is the Image of God. They might not be accepted as Jews by some other Jews though. Peace, tammy |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
MEDEWTYSENU SAID I had a similar conversation this morning TEC (the greatest Love and Peace to you and yours) about this very subject. 2 Timothy 3:13 makes the proclamation that ALL scripture is inspired of God and modern day Christians take that to mean ALL the books of the Bible, but as Shelby has pointed out that isn't exactly so. I think people have taken Paul's words to mean that all the books of the OT and NT are inspired when in fact many of them were simply directives, histories, and opinions postulated by various persons. I think Paul would be aghast to learn that his letters are seen as "inspired" scripture and is used with authority. No doubt if he had known what would become of his writings he would have given instruction that they be destroyed after being read. Those letters were written to a specific people, for a specific purpose, not so much for the rest of the world and they of course contained his opinions. No0w of course there were instances whenre he said that the Holy Spirit had directed him to make certain statements but not all those statements were from the HS. The thing I pointed out to this individual this morning was that at one time the new "Christian" movement only had the Torah and other writings to go by (when proving the existence of the Messiah) and comparing those writings to recent events. They relied mostly though upon the Holy Spirit to teach them what was what. Unlike today almost no one relies upon the teachings of Jesus as revealed through the Spirit to guide them. John 5:39 brings out this point very well and why the nations are confused and why there are so many different denominations with people arguing over the placement of a word, a comma or how a sentence is structured. They look towards people's opinions rather than hearing the words of Christ. John 4:14 "but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life." People have totally missed the point that the spring or Holy Spirit is what should be guiding us rather than a set of books that exist only in fragmentary form. I wondered why the Bible, if it was God's message to humanity and what we needed to use to guide our lives by would only exist as mere fragments and why we would have to compare different codecs in order to get the big picture. The answer is that the Spirit is what is supposed to guide us, not mere books. But people have missed that fact. If people had continued to rely on the direction of the Holy Spirit there would be no real need of the Bible except as a historical book (in case people wondered how these things came about) and Christianity would exist as a unified whole rather than a fragmentary, sqaubbling movement of people. YSand FSofC Morgan _________________ "Those that matter don't mind and those that mind don't matter"--Dr. Seuss |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
AGUEST SAID Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: I love this thread! Thank you, dear tec (peace to you, dear sister!), for posting it! I really have nothing to add (except maybe that it's SO wonderful that you were able to say, in a few short paragraphs, what probably would have taken me PAGES to say - LOLOLOL!). I know that there are those who will read this and get the SENSE of it... and as a result return the Bible to its proper place... which is WELL below that of our dear Lord, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)! And thank you, too, dear HP and MS (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!)... for your comments (and humor!). May those who DO hear and get the sense of this take our Lord up on his invite and that of his Bride's to: "Come! Take 'life's water'... which is NOT found in the Bible, but only in the One who dispenses it from HIS innermost parts... the holy spirit of God, which allows ALL who partake of it to be lead into ALL truth... FREE!" Your servant and a slave of Christ, SA |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
JAMESTHOMAS SAID There comes a time to stop reading the menu, and eat the food. |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
JAMESTHOMAS SAID I heard a story once about someone who ask an old American Indian woman if they could teach her the Bible. To which the wise old Indian woman replied: "You learn of God through words on paper, which fall apart and come to nothing in the wind, earth and rain. We learn of God through the wind, earth, and rain". |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
JUSTMOM SAID Quote: tec wrote: Oh, and also... if you are listening to Christ, then you don't have to go back and compare his teachings to everything else ever taught or written. Because people have asked me (some mocking, some serious) why a person doesn't just go back and rewrite what is true or not. That is unnecessary and probably detrimental. Because it would then still be about rules on paper, rather than the Spirit teaching you from within. You just have to listen to Him, and live by His teachings. Peace, tammy Good Morning All... Beautiful points everyone and tec YES! It would be detrimental. Because then once again it opens this up to changing/tampering and enslaving people under laws (what is written) and becoming subjects of that "one" person versus Christ. Hebrews mentions that in the latter days "Jah will conclude a covenant with his people that the law would be on their minds and hearts not on stone tablets. And they would become his people. They will by no means teach each one his fellow citizen and fellow brother saying "Know Jah" For they all will know me from the least to the greatest. And Jah will be merciful to their unrighteous deed and he would by no means call their sins to mind anymore." Hebrews 8:7-13 It is Jah by means of His son that now teaches us. What more could anyone ask for???? No one loves us like they do. Thank you all for your encouragement justmom |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID What more can i say? Great comments everyone! Peace to you all, tammy |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
LEANN SAID John I agree. The human body is designed to learn through its senses. Even if we read something in a book the mind must connect it to what knowlege it has accumilated by means of it conscioussness to the world around it and this happens by experimentation of manipulation.. see we play with our food too. ... we must taste him. Jesus was trying to explain this when he explained that he was the bread, and blood.. |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
PSACRAMENTO SAID The first step is to understand that the bible is a collection of books and letters from different authors, written over a many eras and dealing with a variety of issues and that it is a THEOLOGICAL book. The second is to remember and accept that while the bible was written FOR Us ALL, it was NOT written TO Us All. The bible is a finger, pointing the way to God ( through Christ for us Christians), if you concentrate on the finger you will miss all the heavenly glory. That said, lets us never forget that without the bible, none of us would be here right now, having this discussion. |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
TEC SAID Soledad on jwn gave an awesome zen quote: The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon. Peace, tammy *waves up at Paul* *waves also at LeAnn* Haven't seen you in a while! |
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| Author: | xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Image of God - the Bible or Christ? |
LEANN SAID Waves back at Tec! Hey lady.. been off in my little world for a while.. but Im back among the living... lol love you LeAnn |
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