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AGUEST SAID
Good morning, dear HP and Will... and peace to you, both!
Dear Will... the reason for the flood in Noah's day was to bind the spirit beings that had chosen physical bodies and the physical realm over spirit bodies and the spirit realm. The flood was the flush them out (by killing the physical body) and then bind their spirit bodies. It's why my Lord sent Legion into a herd of swine, then the swine into the sea: to bind Legion. I won't go into the "abyss," "pit," or "Tartarus." The topics are just too... mmmmm... "deep" (pun intended) - LOLOLOL!
Anyway, they are bound by the water until they are loosed so as to be destroyed by fire. That the spirit doesn't die but must be destroyed is summed up in my Lord's words:
"Do not fear them that can kill the (physical) body; be in fear of Him that can destroy the body AND THE SPIRIT... in Gehenna."
It's why fire was rained down upon Sodom/Gomorrah... and will be rained down upon Gog and Magog: utter destruction of the body AND the spirit. It's why Nebuchadnezzar tried to make the fire SO hot when trying to kill Da'ni'Jah'El, Han'a'ni'Jah, Mischa'Jah'El, and Azi'ri'Jah (aka, Daniel, Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego). So hot, it killed the men OUTSIDE: he was trying to utterly destroy them, body AND spirit.
As for what happens to us when we die, I can only offer what was shown to me many years ago when another asked that question on H2O, a precursor board to JWN. It's been awhile since I related it, so I will try my best:
My Lord came to me and said he wanted to show me something. He took my hand and it was as if I was standing before a plate glass window looking in. I couldn't see anything at first - the view was pitch black. As we stood there, though, the vision became clearer until it came into view and what I saw was first was... dust-colored. Because it was dust, but I couldn't tell that, just yet. As it got clearer, I could discern that I was in some kind of... cave... and about 3 miles into the earth.
Eventually the vision cleared and what I saw greatly startled me: I was standing in a "room" deep in the earth that went back into the earth... for what seemed like miles and miles. That wasn't what startled me, though. What startled me was that the room was filled... and all the way back as far as I could see... with bones. Human bones. Piled almost to the "ceiling" and going as far back as I could see. And they were all... well, at first, the word that comes to mind was... dead. But then I realized that that was not quite the case, that they were in fact sleeping, albeit VERY deeply. Every one of the bodies in that place.
I didn't understand where I was, at first... and then I felt my Lord "say" to me that I was in "Sheol/Hades"... the "World of the Dead."
As I stood there, I began to "feel" that I was being watched and so I looked closer, because the vision was becoming even clearer... and I could see all of the skin- and sinew-less bodies... "looking" at me. Every one of them. I knew they could see me; they knew I could see them. I knew they were looking at me; they knew I was looking at them. They were now "awake"... but just barely. And I was not scared. Nor were they (scared of me). It just a mutual benign recognition of two entities viewing one another, both with a bit of curiosity.
I was curious because, well, who wouldn't be? But there's was something more to THEIR curiosity. Because then... I discerned that, in unison, they had all awakened for one purpose... and that was to ask a question: "Is this it?"
I could discern, though, that they didn't even know "it" was; they didn't have enough LIFE in them to go that far. They had just a tad of life in them that they were able to wake up... and ask that question. Apparently, the little bit of life they had in order to wake up was brought on by my Lord's presence... and my presence invoked this question in them. But it was only a bit of life; they immediately "realized" that our presence was not "it" (the "it" they were all WAITING for, but didn't know what it was)... and immediately fell back to sleep. I literally FELT their spirits returning to its previous minimal amount, just enough to keep them alive and deeply SLEEPING, but not alive and CONSCIOUS/COGNIZANT.
They didn't have enough life in them to know who they were, where they were, what was going on... there OR here... what it was they were waiting for, etc. They were truly conscious of NOTHING and, for the most part, sleeping. I learned from my Lord that this was not the first time they had been visited and each time it occurred this way - they would awaken just enough to ask the question, realize it was not yet "it", then return to their state of deep sleep.
At some point, I realized that they were not "all," though, that there were spirits "elsewhere", with just a little bit more life in them. I was reminded then by my Lord of the place "under the altar" and that spirits THERE had more life in THEM, enough to ask more than "Is this 'it'?" while not even understanding what "it" is... but when they would be avenged as well as know they SHOULD be and WOULD be.
The LESSON of this journey, though, was sublime: I was to take back to the one who had asked that his loved one was not in pain, not suffering, not being tortured, not burning... not... anything. Except sleeping. And quite peacefully - the presence of my Lord and I didn't "disturb" or stress them in any way. They simply woke up for parts of a second, asked a question, realized it was not "it", then returned to sleeping peacefully.
It was to let ME know... so that I could tell others who were concerned that it is true, they are NOT conscious of ANYTHING... here OR there. They don't have enough life IN them to BE conscious... or cognizant... of anything.
Before we left that place, I understood from my Lord that the "it" they are waiting for is the resurrection... and, perhaps, life. Which is why whenever he, the Life, visited... they question arose.
So, what happens when we die? Based on what I saw:
1. The vessel that is the body returns to the dust, except for that part that is the bones; the bones remain (unless they are burned or pulverized somehow);
2. Once dead, the bones have very little spirit in them and so can do nothing more THAN sleep. They are no longer "quickened"... active... because they are "dry" (little or no 'water' = little or no spirit = little or no life). However,
3. There remains a modicum of life in the bones... enough that with just a DROP of 'water' can be "awakened"... even if just to ask a brief question before returning to sleep Just the presence of the Life, can provide that "drop"... because he is the SOURCE of that "water", holy spirit... which "quickens" the dead.
Which brings me to the account between my Lord and the Rich Man. In that account, the Rich Man asked my Lord to give him just a “drop of water.” He wasn’t asking for water as in H2O because he was in some hot, burning, fiery place – the only hot, burning, fiery PLACE... is the Lake of Fire, Gehenna... and NO ONE has been sent there, yet. And Satan, the wild beast, and false prophet go there FIRST... before any human who has died will. And...any human who does end up there is resurrected from death FIRST... and judged as to his/her deeds, due to having no “covering” (the blood of the Lamb). And THAT occurs well after the 1,000 years have ended... which occurs AFTER Christ returns... which occurs AFTER the great tribulation which has never occurred nor will ever occur again... NONE of which has yet occurred!
The Rich Man was able to ask my Lord for this “drop”... because he was in what some refer to today as the “near death” state. His body had died, but his spirit had not yet gone to sleep. When we die, our spirit “separates” from our physical body/vessels – leaves it – and GOES either to the World of the Dead... or under the altar. I do not know how long this part of the journey takes... but it is just prior to starting this journey that one can be brought back. Once they have crossed over, though, and reached their destination, it’s too late – they will go to sleep and must await resurrection.
The Rich Man had traveled past the point of return but had not yet reached the point of sleep. Had he had faith AND received the “drop” he asked for... OR today, adequate medical treatment... BEFORE reaching where he did, he could have been revived.
People who have NDE’s (and notice, these are NEAR death experiences, not DEATH experiences)... are at the place in their journey TO either the World of the Dead or under the altar where they can still be brought back. Because they are still CONSCIOUS... in SPIRIT but perhaps not in BODY. They have not reached the point in their journey were they go to sleep. Thus, they can have visions, hear/see things, etc. Depending on where they are in the journey, they can also still be close enough to THIS life so as to remember some of what they say/heard when they return. The question is, is what they saw/heard accurate? Sometimes it is. Not always, though – just as the spirit allows while we are alive, it allows us to be fooled while on that journey, too. Some of it is a conglomerate of memories that they are trying to hold onto to help them back, things that the spirit believes will guide them, wake them up, shake their consciousness... so that they can return. The farther away they get from this life, the less memories, visions, sounds, etc., and the less likely they are to return.
I hope this helps, truly. If nothing else, I would encourage you to lose any fear you MIGHT have as to what “happens” to you/a loved one when they die. There is no pain, no torture, no punishment, no burning, nothing. Just sleep. I realize that some of us will still hold on to the fear of dying... because of the pain and fear left with loved ones here. That’s understandable – no one truly wants to die (even those who might speed the event up for themselves – even such ones just want their pain, however manifested, to end). But there is no need to fear what happens WHEN we die. The answer is, for the most part, nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Again, peace to you all!
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Paz a todos!
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