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http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/278947/1/Killing-animals-is-a-tell-tale-sign-of-serial-killers-and-psychopaths#4990220

This a very fascinating thread.

I'd be very interested to hear from some here who are very vested in the subject contained therein.

There is one post that I think I will read today on the show { since it is an open discussion topic } and get some feedback there as well.

I do not bring it forth for any other purpose other than to get , for me, vital feedback on how others feel and/or think on the deeper items touched on in the thread. It is a delicate topic with many and it is why I only posted the link and none of its content. You decide if you even want to read it, based on the title.

~s-kally~

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Well, since I can't comment THERE (peace to you, dear Skally!) - LOLOL!:



Perhaps it was (1) because of the VALUE of such things, which (2) came FROM Him, so that (3) they belonged TO Him, and thus (4) were to be RETURNED to Him?



Sigh. I so hate it when people assume such things. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the fruits and vegetables offered by Cain. THEY were not filthy; it was Cain who was "unclean." Therefore, his OFFERING was unacceptable. Just as it is with us:

“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. [u]First go and be reconciled to them; THEN come and offer your gift." [b]Matthew 5:23, 24

Obviously, there was SOME "problem" between Cain and Abel. I mean, common sense should tell us that it wasn't simply a matter of Cain just one day up and thinking, "Hey, I don't really like you, so, I'm gonna kill you." SOMETHING had occurred between the two... something that caused CAIN... MORE anger... and Cain didn't deal with it, as he had been WARNED to do. Perhaps Abel "had something against" Cain. Maybe HE had tried to tell Cain to deal with his temper. Then to (1) have JAH reject his offerings (because HE wasn't clean inside - now he was "hating" Abel INSIDE), and (2) tell him perhaps what ABEL had tried to... well, if he had a problem with anger to begin with...



This is an error. ADHAM was the cause for sacrifices being necessary, not JAH. Adham brought death into the world... and SOMEONE had to "atone" for that. Adham certainly couldn't. Cain couldn't... because he, too, was unclean. Who was left BUT Abel? Could JAH have simply overlooked the matter and NOT required the offerings? Actually... no. The laws of creation would not allow for that: lives had been given over to Death. ALL life. Man AND beast. Praise JAH, the only demand was FOR animals. Else... what? Else... Adham/Eve would have had to DIE. A life... for a life. So, THEIR lives... for ALL of the lives they had handed over. Where, though, would mankind be THEN? No Adham/Eve... no mankind. No... us.



But it WASN'T just the act of sacrificing something. It was the ATONEMENT... for BLOOD and LIFE. Plants, however, don't have the same KIND of blood that beasts/humans have. So THAT blood could not ATONE. Even, so, the blood of animals could not atone... for ALL sins... for EVERYONE... for ALL time. And so, sacrifices had to be made over... and over... and over, again. Because they could never completely FULFILL the "loss" (of life) called for from DEATH... BY sin.

However as time progresses he wants his minions the Israelites to go and slaughter people. He wants HUMAN blood spilled.

Another sigh. Due to more assumptions. JAH NEVER called for INNOCENT blood. Those instances where the lying pen of the scribes wrote Him as appearing to be a bloodthirty deity... was mere a trick of Israel to scare their enemies ("Look at how FEAR-inspiring OUR God is! You DON'T want to mess with US, 'cause OUR God will KILL you!"). Which was a bunch of melarkey. The ONLY time the MOST HOLY One of Israel called for a life... was to atone for a life taken.

In the circumstance of Israel returning to the land of Canaan and clearing out the peoples who were there, anyone reading the history of those peoples... the Hittites, Amorites, Amalakites, etc., would find that it was THOSE people who are barbaric, bloodthirsty, and thieves. They not only took LAND... the land given to Abraham/Lot BY JAH... but killed all who were upon it to DO so!

These very people in this post, however, would most probably ALSO turn around and kill anyone who came and killed THEIR families/loved ones... for the sake of stealing their land. Or, if they had land and went abroad (as Israel did, when they went to Egypt), they would want their land BACK when they returned... and would war with ANYONE to had taken it over. They would be LYING if they said they wouldn't.



Does anyone see the illogical dichotomy of what was just stated. On the one hand, JAH is horrible because sacrifices escalated from animals to humans. Which is a LIE: the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, only called for ONE... HUMAN... sacrifice. And that was of His own Son. On the other, the poster first attempts to chide JAH... while at the same time ADMITTING His problem with CAIN... FOR killing Abel! If He was SO horrible, why even have a problem with Cain for doing so?

What they miss, however, is that Cain is not the first one to kill another human: THAT designation goes to Adham. ADHAM is the one who sold ALL mankind... INCLUDING Abel and Cain... TO Death. Cain is the first one to commit MURDER. Which is not the same thing. Committing murder is worse than killing. How so? Because killing can be UNintentional (i.e., accidental, due to negligence, etc.). Adham's killing of his own children was not accidental, but it was unintentional - he didn't truly realize the consequences. Cain, however, INTENTIONALLY MEANT TO KILL HIS BROTHER.

The law later given to Israel IN WRITING was NOT, "Thou shalt not kill." It was "Thou shalt not COMMIT MURDER."



Psychotic, by man's standards, perhaps. By JAH's standards... it was love. It HAD to be. What man would give his own son... even to save his ENEMIES from death... unless he LOVED... EVEN those enemies. THAT much to do so??



Of course, "something" would tell the poster that. Rather, "someONE" would "tell" him... so as to get him to FURTHER attribute UNrighteousness to the MOST HOLY One of Israel! Had the poster given the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, however... and attributed RIGHTEOUSNESS to Him, rather than attempt to do nothing but lay blame... then HE would have been told and shown the TRUTH... and so (1) not have to have someone like me share it, and (2) not risk blasphemy. But, well, so many think they "know"... based on their own very human and so very limited "understanding," which they forever lean upon.



If those enemies could be brought around to show LOVE to their fellowman... to seek PEACE with their fellowman... and to HONOR God with their lives... by not killing THEIR fellowman... they wouldn't BE enemies of God and Christ! Sadly, many of these are the VERY people that people like this poster cry OUT to JAH about! Cry out and beg for deliverance from! How the heck do they suppose such deliverance is to take place? Through kindess? Love? Patience? Forgiveness? ALL of those have been given to such people! ALL of them. And yet, they utterly disregard such, believing the God that OFFERS these things... weak. Miserable. Pitiable. Blind. Deaf. Dumb. They will find out, one say, though, that it's just the opposite: it is they who are weak... miserable... pitiable... blind... deaf... and dumb. Those three fingers pointing right back at them.



The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and by relation, His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... do not want ANY to die! They want ALL to turn around and repent! Which is why the Son gave HIS life: so that anyone who exercises faith in HIM... can have their sins COVERED... BLOTTED out... WASHED away... so that they CAN turn around... with CLEAN consciences... and walk in the RIGHT direction/Way!



My position? If it's absolutely necessary... if NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK... and all else has been tried... then so be it. If we DESERVE it... because we have NOT well-regarded one another, the animals that we are to care for, or the earth that has been given us to sustain our lives... then perhaps it's best. Maybe WE keep SHOWING that we don't DESERVE anything else. Just because we LIVE... doesn't mean we DESERVE to. I am sure the poster... and other readers... can think of folks THEY don't believe "deserve" to live...



Or... they ate themselves into oblivion: the herbivores and ominvores consuming all of the edible vegetation (as even over-breeding herds of deer, buffalo, elk, etc., have done and do today!), then the omnivores and carnivores consuming all of the herbivores (as over-breeding prides of large cats, packs of wild dogs... and various other over-breeding predators have done and do today)...



And in GREAT ignorance, I must say. Of course. And then, such folks wonder WHY JAH and Christ don't speak to them. Why would they? Why SHOULD they? Again... THEY, JAH and Christ... have NOTHING to prove (to us)! It is WE who now have the... PRIVILEGE... to prove who and what WE are... to THEM.

Earthling man. So smart. So intelligent. So... "knowing." Ho-kay.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

um, best get to that typo girlie!

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I fixed it for you Shelby..
Your editing time is probably up..
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