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Author:  YppuplleH [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I've read a few posts where the writer states that the Bible is filled with contradictions and provides Bible verses. Upon going to these sections I fail to see any contradictions. How many people actually look up the verses to check for themselves rather than believe innthe writer?

One person writes that Mt. Sinai was a volcano but I don't think it was ever specified as a volcano. I was looking for research on the matter and it appears that there are many different locations proposed as being Mt. Sinai.

Can anybody provide examples of where the Bible contradicts itself? I don't mean the differences between new and old testament but contradictions within the same time period?
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Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm ]
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WILLIAM SAID


Genesis 1: 25-27

Genesis 2: 18-22
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:37 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

Lemme bust out my handy dandy iPhone Bible app lol inalso have the Koran, Bhagavadgita, etc on this thing ;P
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Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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WILLIAM SAID

I used the KJV. (and a bit of google)
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds,
and cattle, and every thing that creepeth on the earth after its kind. And God saw
that it was good. And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let
him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the
beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the
earth. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he
created him: male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:25-27 DRA)


And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let
us make him a help like unto himself. And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts
of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, brought them to Adam to see what he
would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its
name. And Adam called all the beasts by their names, and all the
fowls of the air, and all the cattle of the field: but for Adam there was not found
a helper like himself. Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was
fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it. And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a
woman: and brought her to Adam. (Genesis 2:18-22 DRA)




Seems like Genesis chapter one was a Cliff's notes version and Genesis chapter two expanded on it a bit.
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Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:39 pm ]
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WILLIAM SAID

So you're saying He already had them made and only decided later to bring them to Adam?

To me it seems like He made them for Adam to give him something to do.

And while we're at it...Who is "us"....

"Let us make man to our image and likeness..."
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:39 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

Meaning that in the first chapter he made both. Then in chapter two the author went into a little more detail as to what went into making them

As for the "us" part. Some will believe that God was speaking to his peers as there were many gods at the time. Others will say that's a stylistic method used by the author of Genesis like if i was alone and asked myself "let's see what are we gonna have for breakfast today?" I wonder what word was used in the Greek version of the Bible or other languages. Could also be a translation issue.
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:39 pm ]
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TEC SAID

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Seems like Genesis chapter one was a Cliff's notes version and Genesis chapter two expanded on it a bit.


This was always my take on it.

I think there are contradictions though... although many of those only appear to be contradictions.

For instance faith alone vs faith and works. (surface contradiction, but not when looked at in depth)

Faith alone is more like the 'cliff notes' and faith/works is more detailed, in that your faith should motivate you TO works.

(that being said, works covers a very large range of things... even if it is just forgiving and loving, when you did not do so before)

Peace,
tammy
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:40 pm ]
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TEC SAID

Us ... God and His Son.

Peace,
tammy
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:40 pm ]
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WILLIAM SAID

If there is only one Creator of all things it seems silly he would refer to Himself in the plural. And if as you say at the time there were other Gods, well, that is a contradiction in and of itself.

I don't pretend to know the answers. I was just entertaining your question.
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:40 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

And I love sharing thoughts and ideas like this well in the Bible does God state that he is the only god? First commandment was I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me. So it's possible that there were other gods or demons or demigods but Judeo-Christians are to worship "YHWH" over all the other gods.

An important thing to remember is that there were no biographers around to hear what God said as he was busy creating. Another thing to remember is that one can either accept Genesis as literal/factual or allegory/parable. and wait there's more it's also possible that the Judeo-Christian concept and story of God is a variant on another religious belief system possibly Hindu
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:41 pm ]
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WILLIAM SAID

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it's also possible that the Judeo-Christian concept and story of God is a variant on another religious belief system


ya think?

Good night you crazy Puppy.

And you too, Tec. I have enjoyed browsing around your new site. Thanks for having me.
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:41 pm ]
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

To suffer a tangent here and some might find this sacrilegious but what if We were to entertain an idea. That a child calls his father "Papa" his brother calls his father "Dad", an adopted child calls the same person by his name "George". The same person is called by many names: Dad, Papa, George, Uncle, Grandpa, Husband, Asshole(by his enemy lol) Can it be possibly entertained that the same is with God?

That most of the world's religions are worshipping the same deity but just from different perspectives?
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Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:42 pm ]
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TEC SAID

I don't think it is sacriligous Besides, do you know how many people have thought that I am sacriligious?

I do think that there are people in every nation, culture, etc... who follow the same Spirit, and perhaps do not know Him by 'name'. I would never try to guess who or how many. Not my place or my business, or in my pay-grade . I think we can see the Spirit in people... I think sometimes our own 'calls out' by seeing peace, love, fruits of the spirit in another person.

At the same time, the different things that different 'gods' require of his/her/its people tend to show that this is not all the same God. Yes, there is only one, but the versions that have branched out are so far from Him... that... well, He sent a living image of Himself to help us see him more clearly. (that of course is my personal understanding)

In any case, I think it is best to keep our eyes on ourselves and just do what we are called/led to do, rather than attempt to judge those or decide who belongs to God and His Son. That is their business.


Peace,
tammy
Author:  xjwsforchrist [ Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:43 pm ]
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PSACRAMENTO

I have yet to find a "contradiction" in the bible that couldn't not be resolved with some basic research.

RE: Genesis 1 and 2.
Genesis 1 was written to what has been attributed as the "priestly writer" and Genesis 2 to the "yahwistic writer", in short they are the same Story via two different focuses:
Genesis 1 in regards to the creation of the world/universe ( a summary accomodated to man's limited understanding of the time)
Genesis 2 in regards to man's "fall from Grace" and all the issues that came with it.
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