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To the Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with, may you all have peace!

You know that I am often directed to post to something given me by our dear Lord, so as to share with and upbuild the Body (that is here). Sometimes the... mmmmm... "information"... is... difficult to receive. Sometimes... it is difficult to share. Most often, it isn't either one. In all instances, I think it would be truthful to say... and you would agree... that the information is thought-provoking. Either way, those who grasp it, whether difficult or not so much, tend to rejoice over it. This could be one of those difficult instances, but not necessarily. I truly hope not. It is not intended to be so, but to wake up any who might need it. It is another discussion our Lord and I had. It was early yesterday, but I didn't post it... because of my own "fear." Not that something would happen to me but... well, as I'm sure some of you understand... the reactions of some sometimes can make doing so... well, fatiguing, is the word that comes to mind. And I just didn't feel like feeling like that yesterday (LOL!).

Today is a new day, though, so...

The matter was with regard to those who say they love him (and/or God/JAH)... yet, don't do what he tells them (to do)... or what THEY say they're going to do (for him/JAH). And that I must "warn" those of such who are my brothers (in him) as to this... because it is a form of deceit. Not outright lying, per se... but deceiving ONESELF, first. It can also be an attempt to deceive others... including, and here's why I have to post this... attempting to deceive him/holy spirit/JAH.

To help me help those who might need it "see" this, he gave me the account of Ananias and Sapphira... which account should be of importance to us... but not for the reasons we may have been taught (by, say, the WTBTS). To give you some background, here is that account:

"Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet."

Okay, so what? It was their property, to do with what they wished, yes? Yes. BUT...

"Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to holy pirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?"

Wait. How did Ananias LIE to Christ/holy spirit? Again, it was HIS land... to do with what HE wished, yes? Yes. BUT...

"Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

Translation: it was yours, Ananias. You didn't HAVE to pledge it... but you DID. And... why? To give to ME... by giving to others? OR... so as to APPEAR righteous... "before men"? Because when it came time to pay up on your VOW... you reneged. You made a FREEWILL OFFERING (https://www.google.com/#q=freewill+offering+definition)... one that you did not HAVE to make but CHOSE to... and did so according to your union of HOLY SPIRIT. And now... you have reneged (https://www.google.com/#q=reneged+definition) on that offering.

BUT... what did the Law say?

"When a man makes a vow to JaHVeH or takes an oath to obligate himself by a pledge, he must not break his word but must do everything he said." Numbers 30:2

What did Ananias pledge? ALL of the money from his field. What did he GIVE? SOME of the money.

But wait. That was under the OLD Covenant, right? And so, Ananias had no obligation under that "law." He could change his mind... right? No. The "law" is the same under the NEW Covenant where our dear Lord said:

“Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to JaHVeH the vows you have made.’ But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one." Matthew 5:33-37

Now, if this is with regard to agreements with fellow humans, how much so with JAH and Christ?

But Ananias didn't stop at just reneging on the his pledge, did he? No. He followed THAT... with a LIE: he told Peter that he had brought ALL of the money he received for the sale of his land. BUT... did he? So, now, not only are we looking at a man who reneged on an agreement with Christ... which very well COULD have been forgiven, by means of MERCY... BUT... made the matter WORSE... by LYING about it! So, what?

So... he didn't HAVE to sell his field at ALL, let alone not give all of the value of it... let alone LIE about not giving the value! By why WOULD he? Perhaps it was because he loved HIMSELF... MORE... than he loved JAH/Christ? Maybe?

Regardless, it was all for nought. Because having Peter reveal what all of this MEANT... was apparently too much for Ananias to bear (or, perhaps, for Peter to bear but that's another thread - John 20:22, 23)... because:

"When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died."

Wow. Pretty drastic reaction/turn of events... just for reneging on an agreement. But it WAS an agreement with JAH/Christ. Did JAH/Christ STRIKE him down, though, as many believe/teach? Of course, not. It is possible that PETER "judged" him and "called down evil" upon him. Or, it could be that, realizing what he had DONE... was more than Ananias' organism could handle. The shock... and fear... was just too much. And so, not only does he no longer have a field... nor the money he kept... he no longer had his life. All... due to HIS choices: to make a vow that he didn't have to make, then choose not to keep it, then choose... to lie about it.

BUT... he wasn't alone in making such unintelligent choices:

"About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

Reasonable enough question. And very easy to answer... TRUTHFULLY... yes? "No, Peter, it's only part of it, but my husband and I changed our minds. We are giving what we think we can at this time." Fair enough, yes? BUT...

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

Sigh. Why, dear ones, would Ananias' wife answer so?? Here, Peter was GIVING her the opportunity to do what her husband didn't... and state the TRUTH. Why would she NOT do so?? Although she didn't know what had resulted with HIM, SHE knew that it was not the price but only part of it! Why would SHE lie... ALSO??

Maybe... it was because she loved her HUSBAND... or perhaps even HERSELF... MORE... than she loved JAH/Christ?

Well, the account goes on the state that her fate was the same as her husband's.

But... did it HAVE to be? Did it HAVE to be so... for EITHER of them, let alone BOTH of them?

It didn't. Not only did they not have to give ANYTHING, but... when asked, they COULD have just admitted, "This is NOT the FULL price, no, sorry - we had a change of heart." But, instead, they not only tried to fool Christ and holy spirit once... by not keeping the vow... but TWICE by lying about it!

It was THEIR land, dear ones. To give... OR to keep. No one MADE them make the pledge. Indeed, NO ONE EVEN ASKED them to make the pledge. THEY CHOSE to make it! But then, they not only chose to cause "injury" by reneging on the vow/pledge... but added insult to the injury: not only did they not give the FULL price pledged... but they LIED as to what they were offering.

Why did they do it, though? Why even offer the sell the land and give ANY of the money? Because... and this is the message I am to share here... because they wanted to APPEAR righteous... before MEN... so as to be glorified... by MEN. They wanted Peter et al., to say of them "Ooh, look how generous YOU folks are! Look what YOU have given! SURELY, you are good and righteous people, kind and loving, else why would you sell your land just to give the money away to help others?! SURELY, you must be God's people!" The truth, however, is that they WEREN'T generous, at all, but deceitful. If they were TRULY generous... they would have kept to their pledge and gave ALL that they had promised... or at least have been HONEST when asked about it.

Or, alternatively, had they not wanted to be seen as generous "before men"... wouldn't have made the pledge in the first place. They would have simply followed the admonitions of our dear Lord to not "let your right hand KNOW what your left hand is doing," and not go "blowing a horn" ahead of giving a gift of mercy... and just helped out those they could, when they could... in view of and in pursuit of glory from JAH and Christ, alone. Not from men.

Even more of note, though, is Sapphira's SUPPORT of Ananias in his scheme to deceive. She could, at ANY time, have either said to HIM, "No, Ananias, I will NOT go along with you in this!" OR been truthful when answering Peter. She chose, however, not only to protect... but to GO ALONG with her husband in his deceit... and as a result, received his end, as well. Much like Ahab and Jezebel, even Adham and Eve, as some tell of the account.

So, their MOTIVE and INTENT... were not right to begin with! And so the matter could have NEVER worked out right!

And so, it must be asked: can we TRULY say we love JAH... or Christ... if we try to deceive them? Can we TRULY say we love a spouse... child... parent... friend... if we ask them to take PART in our deceit? Can we TRULY say we love such ones... if we go ALONG with their deceit? Who will be left to plead for THEM, if we go down the same path? Wouldn't love PROMPT us to stand FIRM and perhaps say, "While I love you... wife, husband, child, mother, father... friend... brother... I CAN'T GO WITH YOU down that path!"?

TRUE love would say that, wouldn't it? It would prompt us to be HONEST with JAH and Christ... AND with those we love... AND to NOT put others at risk for our OWN desires, intents, and motives. Yes?

We live in a world, dear ones, where sight is the major "thermometer" used to "gauge" folks' "righteousness" and "spirituality." Whether folks "LOOK" like... or say/make pledges that make them APPEAR that they're righteous/spiritual. And because people judge by the OUTWARD appearance, we may sometimes get caught up in such thinking... and presentations, too. We WANT people to know... and accept us... as members of the Body of Christ. BUT... it really doesn't work like that.

Right now, the entire creation is waiting for us to be revealed. Romans 8:19 Until that revealing (by Christ), however, we are revealed to others... those who "have eyes to see"... in a few ways. It can be:

1. Directly by JAH or by Christ - Matthew 17:5; Acts 9:16

or pursuant to things like:

2. Manifestation of the fruit of JAH's spirit that is love - John 13:35; Galatians 5:22; ALONG WITH

3. Manifestation of one or more of the gifts of holy spirit - 1 Corinthians 12:1-11; Acts 3:1-6

The latter two are means by which we let our "light"... SHINE... before men. Matthew 5:14-16

It is not by our trying to impress others by APPEARING to be righteous, generous, loving, spiritual, etc. We might be able to fool some people with these attempts, but as the account of Ananias and Sapphira (should) show us, we cannot fool God and Christ with them.

Truth is important, dear ones. I know that there are some who believe it's not "really THAT important," that love is "more" important... but the lack of TRUTH almost always equates to a LACK... of love. As Christ said to some, they did the things the did... "because the TRUTH... is not IN you."

So, when one says they love God... or love Christ... the question I am directed to post is: are you SURE? Because:

“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their stauros and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it."

That addresses parents and children. What, though, of... say... spouses? True, such ones should cleave to one another... but to what extent? To denying God/Christ... or helping each other try and deceive them? I am not so sure. Paul did address how difficult such a relationship might be:

"An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband." 1 Corinthians 7:32-33

He wasn't trying to tell husbands/wives to disregard each other... nor am I directed to say such. Not at ALL. Rather, I am to admonish those who NEED such admonishment... to take care. Because if YOU are not strong, how can you help a spouse when THEY are not strong? And if YOU will compromise YOUR vow and devotion to JAH/Christ... how will you plead for them if they compromise THEIRS? True, you cannot act as priest for them, but JAH is merciful! How, though, can you ask FOR mercy for your spouse... if YOU are in the same weakened position?

Our relationship with JAH through Christ is an individual one, dear ones. In that "3-cord" scenario ALL cords are strong: husband, wife, AND JAH. If one cord has become weakened, though, and the other cords also becomes so, not in trying to strengthen the other... but by following the other INTO such weakness... what does JAH have to work WITH?

You don't stop walking because a loved one does. And you don't lay down because a love one does. And you don't deceive... because a loved one does. IF they stop walking... IF they lay down... IF they deceive... YOU... keep moving. Ahead. TOWARD the Light. YOU... keep walking with... and in... (the) Truth. Because MAYBE you can gain enough strength to go back and get that one... or get to the end where you can ask that someone may be sent back for that one... plead for such one along the way. But if YOU stop, YOU lay down... YOU deceive, TOO... what of your children?

I hope this helps. I hope it is taken solely as it is intended, as a sharing that can be used for self-examination/scrutiny, if there is the need to do so. I, SA, received it for that purpose and so have shared it as I received it from our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). It is NOT for just one. It is for us ALL, who might find us facing such a situation.

Again, peace to you ALL!

YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:58 pm 
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"Today is a new day"

Yet, what IF you did not live to see today, that was yesterday?

Who would have Delivered the Words that you heard?

Would they have not died with you? Who are you to wait on delivering these NEEDED messages, when your god is speaking in such urgencies?

To just wait until you felt like it Appears a bit selfish. Would not it appear to you and those who you seek to have hear, that it is not up to you when you are to deliver the Words?

It's just a bit confusing to see that you actually take it upon your own self/spirit to deliver these messages when you feel like it and not when they are actually spoken to you.

Why would you even consider waiting until YOU felt like it?

Thank you, ~skally~

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Dear Skally,

You really felt these comments necessary?

Are you sure that its not just the message you have a problem with and it has nothing to do with the timing? Whether it be yesterday, today or tomorrow?

I am so sorry that you feel so bitter and resentful when "truth" is shared. But it is your choice absolutely whether to receive it or not.

Enjoy your day,
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I hope this helps. I hope it is taken solely as it is intended, as a sharing that can be used for self-examination/scrutiny, if there is the need to do so. I, SA, received it for that purpose and so have shared it as I received it from our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). It is NOT for just one. It is for us ALL, who might find us facing such a situation.



Yes, it helps tremendously, thank you for sharing what you have received.

Love to you my sister,
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Hello Shel

You were exhausted yesterday and yet you continued delivering our Father's message for the sake of those crying out. Please do not feel discouraged by those who think they know your life because of your words on this board. Or who think you have no other life. You delivered this message to those who needed it yesterday. Today you are sharing it with others. You used up your energy doing our Father's work. You did not give up. As soon as you gathered enough energy to continue sharing, you did. I for one am very thankful for your help and encouragement yesterday.

May Jah bless you and your household.


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Peace to you, and also thank you for sharing even though it might bring something upon you. The reflection, the asking (is it me, Lord?) and the listening for His answer... is never a bad thing. Even if it IS you... then at least you know and can ask for forgiveness/mercy... and/or be on the lookout so as NOT to sin. Because He always warns us before we commit the sin.



Skally, do you think that if Christ had a problem with how/when His servant/slave shares anything given to them... that He would not choose another to do the work He assigns or correct them, Himself? Rather than give that servant/slave SO MUCH more, to hear and to share? Something to think about, and ask about so that you may hear the answer for yourself.



Peace to you both, and the rest of you all,
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Peace to you, and also thank you for sharing even though it might bring something upon you. The reflection, the asking (is it me, Lord?) and the listening for His answer... is never a bad thing. Even if it IS you... then at least you know and can ask for forgiveness/mercy... and/or be on the lookout so as NOT to sin. Because He always warns us before we commit the sin.


I agree with this. Deceiving ourselves is so easy to do, especially when our pride gets in the way. Excellent reminder for us all.

It saddens me that any of us would want to demand more of you Shelby, while we witness how much you share with us all, and how often. It's a relief that such does not reflect our father Jah nor His son Jaheshua, before whom we stand.

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I have been reminded of this passage in Galatians 6 to share in this thread:

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1 My friends, if someone is caught in any kind of wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should set him right; but you must do it in a gentle way. And keep an eye on yourselves, so that you will not be tempted, too. 2 Help carry one another's burdens, and in this way you will obey the law of Christ. 3 If you think you are something when you really are nothing, you are only deceiving yourself. 4 You should each judge your own conduct. If it is good, then you can be proud of what you yourself have done, without having to compare it with what someone else has done. 5 For each of you have to carry your own load. 6 If you are being taught the Christian message, you should share all the good things you have with your teacher. 7 Do not deceive yourselves; no one makes a fool of God. You will reap exactly what you plant. 8 If you plant in the field of your natural desires, from it you will gather the harvest of death; if you plant in the field of the Spirit, from the Spirit you will gather the harvest of eternal life. 9 So let us not become tired of doing good; for if we do not give up, the time will come when we will reap the harvest.


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Love is a fascinating thing.
It makes us do some pretty crazy stuff at times.
We do tend to confuse many things with love though.
The ideal love is a selfless, other-centered love like the one shared between God the Father and His Son.
The example that Christ gave us, a self-sacrificing love for our brothers, not for what they WANT, but for what they NEED.
In the example of Ananais, his wife should NOT have agreed with him and should have gone to Peter for help to save her husband.
Her love for him should have been to save him, not to be obedient to him.
Now, deep down we DO know right and wrong, we do know what is needed over what is wanted and true love, the love that is good and other-centered, is the love that drives us to do that.


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Mornin' and peace to you all! HUGE (and awesome!) storm last night and so no power this morning so on my cellphone so posting will be brief (okay y'all can stop applauding now - LOLOL!)

Dear Skally... peace to you... and you are right: I should have shared it right away. I actually begged off from part of the assignment and told my Lord I wouldn't go and share it at all, even if it meant my life. Because it was just too much for me at the time. But then I changed my mind and heart because I knew I had to share it. It is my hope that my Lord who, like his Father, is merciful, will view me as one who said they WOULDN'T go but later did, than as one who they WOULD go but then didn't. Either way, I sincerely apologize to YOU if my delaying somehow adversely affected YOU. I truly hope it didn't.

Dear, dear Loz, 'Mom, Tec, FC, P... the GREATEST of love and peace to you... and thank YOU for YOUR love and understanding.

Dear Loz... thank you for those verses! Just another layer to add to the flavor of the overall message! Thank you!

Dear P... thank you, truly, for your wonderful and concise summary! Always! Please don't ever stop doing that!

Peace to you ALL!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

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Dear Skals... again peace to you! I am to share with you from my Lord that there was never any reason for YOU to have been concerned, that even if I had died SOMEONE would have shared the information with you and/or with those who needed it, that in fact HE always shares it FIRST and the ONLY time another is needed is when Israel doesn't listen to HIM... or REFUSES to hear HIM. He said I am to say to you that Israel is NEVER not told and that the words of his God and Father... and ours... those of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... are TRUE, when That One said:

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.". Isaiah 55:11

What I receive I do from my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who receives it from our Father. And so for THAT reason, that what I share is NOT MINE... YOU... NEVER need to worry. I am just ONE stone and ONE servant, and a very small and insignificant one. JAH would NEVER withhold from ANY of us something we NEED (to know). SOMEONE will tell us, starting with Christ himself. The ONLY thing WE have to concern ourselves with is whether or not WE are listening... and obeying... when he does.

I hope that helps.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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Yes, absolutely, and I heard and understand the same. If someone refuses an assignment, or is silenced (killed)... then 'even the stones will cry out'.

Nothing hinges upon any one man or woman... other than Christ, Himself.


Peace to you both,
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Thank you for this.


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{gets up off the ground}

Well. Let THAT Be a Lesson.

I won't soon do THAT again.

~skally~{Yes, I was/am right and leaves it at THAT}

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Thank you for this.


You... and everyone else who may have benefited... are quite welcome... and peace to you, dear LQ!

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{gets up off the ground}


I really am sorry, dear Skals (peace to you!). I truly did NOT meant to "stumble" you!

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Well. Let THAT Be a Lesson.


Again, it was not directed at anyone in particular but only those who could benefit from it. I am glad you did, although, again, I apologize if my delaying cause some adversity in YOUR life.

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I won't soon do THAT again.


What, stumble? Oh, don't be so sure, luv. We ALL stumble... MANY times. Thing is... to get UP again... and keep moving forward. You know, rather than just laying down and becoming part of the road...

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Well, glad to have been able to provide that opportunity for you. I mean, NEVER say "never" and "first time for everything," and all that!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who kinda thought it, but was glad to see your confirmation that you ARE reading what I post...


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