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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:42 am 
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Justmom wrote:
Loz wrote:

Moreover, the opportunity to receive this gift is still open to ALL those who seek it and who approach Jah and His son in faith. Rev 22:

17 The Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" Let the one who hears this say, "Come!" Let whoever is thirsty come; whoever wishes may have the water of life as a free gift.


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Amen my sister....
Thank you
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Yes. I am sure we are all in agreement with this. As are all Christians, Catholics, everyone!


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Hence, men like Nebuchadnezzar... and Adolf Hitler, dear tec (peace, luv!)? I am most GLAD that MORE don't know, of course! Given the penchant for nuclear proliferation from time to time, however, it seems that "someone" knows... and keeps trying to put it in the hearts and minds of (certain) men (men, including women).



Yes, agreed... even to the point of not necessarily knowing intellectually, but allowing themselves to be used.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:48 am 
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What was it about my short post that made you think I was baiting her?


Your words... but most particularly the fact that it was only HER "sight" you were interested in, dear one (peace to you!). Many commented but it was only dear Loz, with whom you have done similar in the past, that you asked. You wish to know what dear LOZ "sees". Why, given you two's history? Why not just ask in general... and leave it to her to respond if she WISHES to? But by addressing her specifically, you are showing that you DO have a questionable motive. Really. I am not making this up or just trying to "pick" on you - I am trying to help you see how YOU are continuing to try and "provoke" another. WHY??

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What would have been my motive?


That is what I am asking YOU to consider, my dear sister. Hopefully, you WILL consider it. Again, please, dear, dear Char... please... examine your heart. Because, again, things are not as hidden as you might think they are.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

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even to the point of not necessarily knowing intellectually, but allowing themselves to be used.


Which, in truth, is really what it ALWAYS is (peace to you!). Each one is tried by his/her OWN desire... which is exploited by "one" whose SOLE aim to lead mankind AWAY from the Tree of Life (Christ)... to man's own detriment and ultimate demise. Individually... and as a species.

Peace, luv!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:54 am 
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Hmm. For us... or... To us? Wondering about what each of us considers to be the difference.

For me... to someone, is a letter to that person (or persons). For us... something recorded hopefully for our benefit.

Certainly much of what is written is addressed to specific people, or all of Israel, or physical Israel/spiritual Israel.

Revelation is written for and to... all those who hear the prophecy in that book. That would certainly include the Body of Christ.


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The difference is that:
FOR us means that the message is a timeless one, a message that cross the cultural and generational contexts, an example being:
Thou shall not murder.
TO Us means that the analogies and and such would have direct understanding for people it was directed to ( the church in Corinth for example), people that would understand what Christ meant when He said "Ghenna" or what Paul meant when he said "Tarturas".
( neither one would have meant much to people living outside that geo-cultural environment).


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Will animals be resurrected as well?

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To add as I was reading this i also heard of the account in Mark 5: 1-20 and Luke 8: 31
The man that was possessed with demons named Legion. When our Lord healed the man of them, they asked if they could be sent into the herd of swine. Our lord allowed this and then the herd of swine rushed over the cliff and into the SEA. It says that they ( the swine) all drowned.
Yes, the flesh did! So the DNA of the swine is preserved. But what of Legion?
They could not be drowned, but now confined in the sea. In the abyss.

Fascinating. I've always wondered about this. :)


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Will animals be resurrected as well?



Why not Pup?

If animals have bones, have spirit, have DNA?.....

We as humans think we are the only flesh that is important to Jah.
He created everything by means of HIS spirit.

I am reminded just now to share a verse in Joel 2: 28 & 29,

" That Jah shall pour out His spirit upon every sort of flesh."
We have been taught that we are the only ones that this applies to with flesh.

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Will animals be resurrected as well?


We might have to wait and see, dear Pup (g'day and peace to you!)... but why not? Personally, I think it would be COOL to "meet" my dear puppies maybe in bodies that allow them to speak (yet, still be dogs - I don't think lions or cobras will be anything other than what they are now, but if they could SPEAK - hoo-weee!), if not better communicate their thoughts to me somehow. You know, so that I can REALLY get to know them. I mean, I think they're cool beans right now... but who knows: maybe they actually hate me! LOLOLOLOL! I KNOW they think I'm silly, sometimes - the (frequent) eyerolls show it ("Oh, gawd, there she goes AGAIN! What's with the puttin' us in these silly get-ups!? We're DOGS, fer crissake! Ooh, girl, you REALLY look silly in that dress - at least she's only making ME wear this sweater!"). LOLOLOL!

I am sure anyone who receives some insight on it will share, though. I look forward to it!

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:) do animals have a soul/spirit then? Plants? Anything that contains DNA including insects? :)

I hope all the mosquitoes end up in the Lake of fire :)

Hmmm can animals sin?

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YppuplleH wrote:
Will animals be resurrected as well?

I don't know BUT I don't THINK so.
The bible doesn't make it clear that animals have spirit, but they are souls.
Perhaps mammals have spirit BUT if that was the case I think that we would be prohibited from eating them, maybe?
Reptiles and insects are instinctive creatures so I am not sure if they have either soul or spirit.
I think only man is made in God's image and as such, only man has a spirit so I think only man gets resurrected.


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Some argue that certain species exist only because of creations "fallen state".
Not sure if that is the case BUT it is quite possible that many of the species we have, have come to be due to the "imbalance" in nature created by man's fall.
Things like the environment that has been damaged by man over the many centuries, could have caused the mutations that evolved certain animals into being the way they are.


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Will animals be resurrected as well?

I don't know BUT I don't THINK so.
The bible doesn't make it clear that animals have spirit, but they are souls.
Perhaps mammals have spirit BUT if that was the case I think that we would be prohibited from eating them, maybe?
Reptiles and insects are instinctive creatures so I am not sure if they have either soul or spirit.
I think only man is made in God's image and as such, only man has a spirit so I think only man gets resurrected.



When I have wondered about this, our Lord reminded me that the animals were brought to Adam, into the garden of eden (spiritual place), to be named.

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Some argue that certain species exist only because of creations "fallen state".
Not sure if that is the case BUT it is quite possible that many of the species we have, have come to be due to the "imbalance" in nature created by man's fall.
Things like the environment that has been damaged by man over the many centuries, could have caused the mutations that evolved certain animals into being the way they are.


I sort of think that also.

But what I have heard, even if that is only in part, is that life chooses to do the will of Jah, or not do His will... even if that is not on any sort of conscious level that we can understand.

And yes, we do also introduce harmful things into the world, that pose harm for us and/or for our children.

But as we know, not everything is from God... because we know that evil is not from God, and an enemy did sow some of his own seed (weeds). (matt 13:26-29)

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do animals have a soul/spirit then? Plants? Anything that contains DNA including insects?


Yep, dear Pup (peace!). Anything that has "blood" (which includes sap)... has spirit... life... in them. Some not MUCH life... and none with REAL (eternal) life... except through Christ.

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They are souls, yes, dear P (peace to you, as well, dear one!) because they have physical bodies. Thus, like man, a beast can be a LIVING souls... or a DEAD soul. As to the Bible being clear about them having spirits, though, I'm not sure you're correct:

"I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath/spirit ("ruwach"); humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. Who knows if the human spirit ("ruwach") rises upward and if the spirit ("ruwach")of the animal goes down into the earth?” Ecclesiastes 3:18-21

Where, if not FROM JAH, would the first animals have received THEIR breath/spirit/life, dear one? JAH blew His breath/spirit into Adham AFTER that one had been formed. His FORM, however, was... initially... in God's image. That doesn't mean that the various forms of BEASTS were made in God's image, though. Yet, that they weren't does not negate God's BREATH being put in them... to bring THEM to life. Right?

And just as man can be disobedient, so too can beasts... and plants (remember the fig true that REFUSED to provide fruit for our dear Lord).

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you, both!

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YppuplleH wrote:
:) do animals have a soul/spirit then? Plants? Anything that contains DNA including insects? :)

I hope all the mosquitoes end up in the Lake of fire :)

Hmmm can animals sin?



Well Pup.... If they can as Psalms 146-150 brings out " Praise Jah" as a living creature, then they could choose to NOT praise him as well. A choice given to ALL living, breathing creation.

If they do not have spirit life in them....how do they communicate with " spirits"?
Yet job 38: 41 tells us, " the young ravens CRY to Jah for help"...
Psalms 147: 9 tells is " he gives the beasts their food, and food to the young ravens that keep CALLING."

They communicate with the one that created THEM. Spirit to spirit. Jah takes care of them.
But let's say, spirit ( jahs spirit) tells them ( most call it instinct / I call it spirit speaking) to fly south for the winter because its too cold. Can they choose not to listen? Can they choose to disobey?......
Sure they can. It may cost them their flesh ( life) but they have a choice as does every living, breathing thing. This why Jah says, " Choose life" ( listen to me)...but you don't have to.


I know....I know..... Opens up a whole new ballpark as to our " debt" we have to Jah and why we need that " continual daily sacrifice." It's continual... Ongoing.....it's daily......because we have so much debt DAILY that we need CHRIST to forgive and cover over, stand up on our behalf for.

Hope this helps
Love Justmom /:)


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