xjwsforChrist

Pup, Christ was not the Holy Spirit until after He died in the flesh, then rose, and was glorified as the Holy Spirit.

Any sin done against the son of man, He said, would be forgiven.



He was admonishing them, true, but not condemning them. He had not told them that they were blaspheming against the Holy Spirit here.


Is that along the lines of what you were thinking?

Peace,
tammy

As you know, I don't believe at all, not in any way, that Jesus was the Holy Spirit. Makes no sense. There are too many signs that is not so.

Of course Peter didn't blaspheme. He was, at that moment, weak. He was cowardly. He wasn't blasphemous in the slightest.

No, Pup, please don't be swayed by the highly unusual though undoubtedly not unique views of the identity of the Holy Spirit found among just some, not all, on this board. With all due respect to the members here, and upholding as I do their right to believe whatever they want to, it really, really isn't right.

The Pharisees sinned against the Son, for which he (the Son) said forgiveness could be had. He had not yet been glorified, so it was not against the Holy Spirit (the glorified Christ) that they had sinned. Once glorified, he would save them. As he asked them:

"WHO will save you from Gehenna/Hell?"

He was letting them know that he, the one he persecuted, would.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Okay.....<on topic>


Question.....

Setting aside every other single disagreements,

When it comes to a persons "choice of formal worship "that professes it to be " Christian", professes to have " Holy Spirit dwelling in it", professes to teach......
........CHRIST...be in union with Christs as belonging to HIS body....??

And yet teaches millions even billions of people that CHRIST does not speak in a voice that his sheep can listen, hear and talk to or with...

When throughout the bible that they believe to be the written word of god...

SAYS, he is alive and speaks....( as in literally speaks, a voice)


Wouldn't this be the simplest most elementary ( no rocket science) way to identify whether or not it can even be TRUTH?

Forget all the other teachings, isn't this a huge one?. In this world that is alienated from god and with saten being the god of it, and people not denying the fact that demons can speak and haunt people today,

Wouldn't it be the most WELCOMED, LOVING provision from our Heavenly Father and his son that gave his life so we can belong to him, that they be able to communicate the way they say they can and lead us through this darkness into light? ( which again is...CHRIST)

The safest way to lead His sheep, by HIS own voice.

What kind of father doesn't talk directly to His children?

I know that I personally came out of a " form of worship" that said god doesn't speak to us through his son INDIVIDUALLY?

Now could this be blasphemy???

And I do know there are other " forms of worship" that teach the same as the WTBS!

What does that tell ya?

Just a thought

Justmom. P.s. how can CHRIST be everything to us yet not communicate ( yes by a voice) )to us?

Peter could not have blasphemed against the HS because his moment of weakness was not a denial in "good conscience" but a denial of fear.
In other words, he didn't go against Christ, he was fearful for his life and denied KNOWING Christ but did not speak AGAINST Christ.
God KNOWS why we do what we do.

I see it as more of a warning them. I don't think that Jesus ever cursed or condemned anybody except for maybe a fruit tree

_________________
To fear me is to love me....

Jesus even told Peter that he will deny him three times. I interpret this as understanding Peter and forgiving him before it even occurred.

_________________
To fear me is to love me....

Yes, to both of your comments above, Pup.

(something that a dear one pointed out to me a while back... forgive... fore give)


Peace,
tammy

Absolutely, and Peter was clearly mortified straight away.

That's the whole significance of Christ telling Peter to feed his sheep and his lambs and of building his Church on the rock that was Peter. (And ex JW's, please don't respond with the "Jesus meant the rock as himself thing...been there, done that)

Peter had particular characteristics: he wore his heart on his sleeve, he was impetuous, rash, jumped straight in without thinking when responding to Jesus, was sometimes a coward, sometimes very brave, instinctively instantly penitent, and always, always, wholly for Jesus.

In other words, he was 100% totally human, full of faults and capable of great faith and devotion to Jesus, with his heart totally for him. And Peter was a man of heart.

*groans at your pun*

_________________
To fear me is to love me....

That's a very interesting observation. I wonder what characteristics each disciples had. How varied were their personalities?

_________________
To fear me is to love me....

I expect others will come up with their thoughts, but mine must wait.

It's been a long day here, and I'm having an early...well, not all that early! night.

So I'm turning in. Have you got an appropriate clip up your sleeve/tucked into your collar, Pup?

I have many tricks and no sleeves ;P

_________________
To fear me is to love me....

*** I know this is off topic ***

Which always confused me because the tree that he condemned was not in season, so why condemn it?

And from a distance he caught sight of a fig tree that had leaves, and he went to see whether he would perhaps find something on it. But, on coming to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season of figs. So, in response, he said to it: “Let no one eat fruit from you anymore forever.”
- Mark 11:13,14

Maybe a fig tree fell on him as a child. We all have our quirks

_________________
To fear me is to love me....