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Regardless of how much any of us know of the RCC, your denial of the relevance of Christ's words that are written, does not help their case, Char.

You still haven't addressed the relevant scriptures in John or 1 John quoted on this thread which you claim are out of context. They are absolutely in context. Otherwise you would offer some substance for your negating of them.

Returning to the same old same old attacking of us as ex JWs etc etc doesn't say much for your part in the communications that have been repeatedly shared on this forum. Attacking the messenger doesn't erase the truth of the message.

Yet more deflection which has in all honesty lost any shred of impact or integrity now.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Whose case?



Please read above. Again, if you didn't understand the first time.



Ok, there you go again. "Lost any shred of impact or integrity now" is the same as saying I'm lying. No. I am not. If the voice in your head was really Christ he'd be telling you I told the truth.

Attacking you as ex JW's? Where? Nowhere have I done that, not in any single place. You're a bit touchy in that, aren't you, Loz? Read what I wrote again. Every word. You will see that I sympathise. I feel sorry for you for everything you endured as ex JW's, especially in justmom's case because she didn't know any different, she was brought up in a JW family. I think that's right, isn't it, justmom? Nor do. I judge you, Loz, because they had me going for a full six months when I was going out in the "service for more than 30 hours a month. Nightmare. They messed with my brain, but fortunately I realised what was going on and got out before I was too deeply in.

So how could I be attacking you? For those two years I was sucked more and more in, even though the first six months or more was spent in my arguing with them. Fortunately for me, in my mind there were truths that I knew with every fibre of my being, and they kept me safe. You didn't have my lifelong Christian experience, so you had no means of discernment as I did. It was that much harder for you. How could I be attacking you?

Nor am I calling you a liar. I do not attack your integrity. I don't, spitefully and nastily, say "you have lost any shred of impact or integrity".

When I became a Catholic well over a quarter of a century ago I had long talks with an elderly Catholic priest. His rule of thumb, his benchmark, was kindness. Loving kindness runs through everything that Jesus taught. Please would you reread what you wrote, Loz, and review your words and attitude?

If you were a Catholic, you'd instantly know that you'd fallen short of that benchmark of loving kindness, in imputing falsehood to another without any reason.

If you stand by your accusation, please give it substance and proof. Jesus Christ knows my mind and heart and soul. He knows I do not lie. So, if you are talking with Him as you claim, ask Him.

And I don't bear a grudge. I'll be very happy to accept your apology and say no more about it (though I can't promise that for other members of this forum).

I would just like to clear up a couple of things. I do not think there is a chance of changing someone's view that they have no desire to change.


First, catholic people... just like jw people, baptist people, lutheran people, etc... may be loving, kind, forgiving, 'good'... same as anyone else; same as atheists, agnostics, muslims, hindus, buddhists, and the like. No one is saying or even thinking otherwise. I went to a catholic high school, I have catholic relatives, and I have gone to catholic masses... when I was in school, outside of school. I did not take part in the mass, and I was separated (of my own accord) from the catholic belief in high school, because I, myself, was not catholic. (RCC catholic) But no one is making any judgment against catholic people. Even though, there is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade; or a lie a lie. In fact, oftentimes we must do so.

No insult is intended. Just a hope that the truth will be shared.


But as our Lord has taught me... his people are also IN 'her' (religion... rcc, wts, etc)... or He would not be able to say, "Come out of her, MY PEOPLE!"


Second, it is the organization and the lies that come from 'her'... that are being spoken against. Regardless of what specific organization in the religion of 'christianity'... and regardless of who it is that shares those lies, who has believed them from her. 'She' speaks many lies. Something that is not true, but is spoken about as though it is true (true fact)... is a lie.

We are all children of God... sounds nice. Sounds good. Sounds like something the adversary might say when he deceives the world outside the kingdom to come against the kingdom and take it for themselves. "Did God really say that fire from heaven will devour you? Nonsense! You are all children of God... and as such, you may enter that Kingdom and take it for yourself. Wait... what? Did Christ really say that He never knew you? Nonsense! Lies. That Kingdom belongs to you... because you are all children of God. So go... take and eat."


Third... the bible CAN be interpreted in many ways... obviously... because we have tens of thousands of denominations (divisions) in christianity the religion. People have used its words to pervert love and cause harm (including the RCC, the wts... but certainly not limited to them alone) Which is why we must depend upon the Spirit of Christ (the Holy Spirit) to teach us and to show us what IS true. So it is not our own interpretation that we are sharing... which is not to say that we cannot be wrong; have heard wrong; or are carrying baggage as you have suggested. But that is why we may TEST what is being shared. Does what is being shared stand up to the Light... who is Christ?

Whether that thing being shared is being shared by us, by the RCC, by the WTS, or by 'millions of believers', or by you. It may all be tested against Christ to know if it is true... or lacking.


And by your own reasoning, Char, if we are condemning ourselves by speaking against what we know to be false, in the RCC or in ANY organization... then you are also condemning yourself each time you call the wts a lie, or its teachings a lie.


But it is not condemnation to speak against a lie. Obviously, on some level, you must know this... because you also will speak against the lies of the wts. It is no different here, Char. You see those lies for what they are... and so do we. We just also see the lies in all organizations for what they are. Not because we are so great or special... but because CHRIST lets us see them; because we are listening to Him. So that if something IS against Him, we balk at it. Cringe. Run from the voice of a stranger.


Char, you said:



No one here is excluding anyone from such things. Indeed, all here are calling to any who WISH to come, TO come... to Christ; to the free gift of the water of life (holy spirit). We are simply stating that not all ARE God's children. If so, then ALL would inherit the kingdom with Christ. All would, because children receive their inheritance from their fathers. (or mothers) But not all mankind DOES inherit the kingdom. Some are cast outside the kingdom... some are not brothers of Christ, and so are not sons of God. These are Christ's own words and Christ's own teaching.

Nor is it a matter of pride to profess to being in the Body of Christ. No more than it is pride to profess to be a Christian... because a Christian IS a member of the Body of Christ. Does it condemn a person to call themselves a christian... knowing that not everyone is a christian? Does professing to be of Christ, to be of His Body... exclude another from professing the same? Do you think that we do not rejoice when one professes to be of His Body? Of course we DO! We witness to Christ, we call for others to Come... and take the free gift of the water of life... so that others WILL come, and WILL be part of His Body.





As to the issue at hand... if you say that we cannot call out what we hear as a lie, then neither can you with regard to the wts, or even to us. Not without showing hypocrisy.



But again, as always, always has been said... it is not YOU that anyone is calling out and certainly not condemning... but rather the statement being stated as if it were truth is being challenged or called a lie. Because being held up to the light, it is shown not to be true. And Christ is the only authority that we are going to listen TO. Not what millions believe, not what 'christianity' teaches. Christ... and Christ alone.


Peace to you,

tammy

of dear ANOMOS' "Maria" thread (peace to you all!):



I apologize for my verbosity, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!)... but I am glad you ARE reading what I post to you. Which might be prudent, as I am sure others are reading it. And you're right, in my long post, I did state that, yes.



Char, I didn't quote anything out of context. To do that, I would have had to say he "meant this" when he "said that." I simply posted the verses. AS they appear in the Bible (note, although I quoted the NIV, they appear literally the same in the JB, as I invited you to check for yourself). In this particular instance, YOU are the one saying he didn't mean what he said (at least, as to what's recorded). I'M saying he MEANT... EXACTLY... what he is recorded as SAYING.



Well, it could be that they weren't Christ's words, dear one, or God's... but they're not mine originally. I would offer that their source is the same that compelled Paul and Peter to use it. For example:

Ephesians 2:19 - Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household

1 Timothy 3:15 - if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Titus 1:7 - Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.

1 Peter 4:17 - For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

I mean, if it's good enough for these two, who were called and sent directly BY Christ... one of whom YOU claim as your leader (the "rock" that YOUR faith/church is built on)... it's good enough for me.



Yes, luv, sinners. But not ALL sinners - only those who came to him to BE saved. Which did say would only be a few:

Matthew 22:14 - “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

He also clarified to WHOM he was sent, Israel... and any who put FAITH in him... but not EVERYONE... to a woman who asked him for mercy for her daughter:

"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

[Jesus] did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

"He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

"The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

"He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

"Then [Jesus] said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment." Matthew 15:22-28



I realize this may be difficult for you to receive, luv, but the TRUTH is he did pick and choose... based on ONE criteria: active faith. Like the woman above demonstrated. She KNEW he was the Son of God... and COULD heal her daughter, and so she didn't GIVE UP when he initially rejected her request.

He came, dear ones, to save those sinners... WHO EXERCISED/DEMONSTRATED an ACTIVE FAITH IN HIM. Which is what is MEANT and is the CONTEXT of his words that:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s only-begotten Son." John 3:16-18

[Note: I'm not sure if you realize, but it's actually YOU who take verses out of context, and these in particular. Although the verses surrounding give the FULL context of what our dear Lord said... WHO he was sent to save... you, for some reason, seem to only KNOW of verse 17 - "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." In doing this, you utterly dismiss (or perhaps just aren't aware of) verses 16 and 18, which state IN DETAIL just who he means. You might want to ask yourself WHY you do this, dismiss the other verses so as to take the one verse OUT OF CONTEXT. In doing that, you might consider perhaps YOU have been taught... and so are victim... to the very same "habit" (of selective reading of Bible verses) as you hold JWs in so much derision for doing. Then you might want to consider the hypocrisy of your doing so... in light of the accusations you've made during this discussion. I digress.]



You misunderstand the account (but it might be clearer if you actually took the time to READ it): he rebuked his disciples for trying to stop the children WHO WERE TRYING TO COME TO HIM from doing so. Not all children WERE, however, and he made NO mention of THEM in the account. He rebuked them... so that they would not become like those who SHUT UP the kingdom of the heavens before others. You can read about THAT tendency, too, at Matthew 23:13.



Where, dear one, are such words recorded? Please... show me, so that I can read them for myself and if so, I will stand corrected. In the meantime, perhaps you will allow yourself to reflect that I didn't just TELL you that Christ said some were the children of the Adversary, but SHOWED you where he is recorded to have said it. He AND others. Please... do us the same courtesy? Otherwise, you are asking us to take YOUR word ALONE for it. Which, given what you often accuse ME of doing... would be yet another demonstration of your hypocr... well, you know what I mean.



I did, yes!



I'm not sure why the TITLE bothers you, luv; it's merely a quote of Jude's words:

Jude 1:21 - keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Just in case you doubt, here's the verse from the Jerusalem Bible:

"keep yourselves within the love of God and wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to give you eternal life.

So, I don't get while the title causes you (or anyone... who has READ a Bible) concern. But I can see how the CONTENTS might be appalling, as it rarely comports with anything IN the Bible. They are all designed to MISLEAD. If possible, even the chosen ones. I recall one entitled "The Truth That Leads to Everlasting Life." Yet, very little in that book was about Christ. Seeing as he IS the truth, the entire book should have been about him.



Char... Char... CHAR. Seriously? If Him being impartial means He doesn't pick and choose... how... IN THE WORLD... did He:

1. Prefer Abel's sacrifices over Cains?
2. CHOOSE Noah to build the Ark... AND allow ONLY Noah;s household to survive?
3. CHOOSE Abraham to become the patriarch of His people?
4. CHOOSE only Lot and HIS family to escape Sodom?
5. CHOOSE Isaac over Ishmael, although Ishmael was born FIRST... AND loved greatly by Abraham?
6. CHOOSE Jacob over Esau?
7. CHOOSE Joseph to SAVE Israel, all of whom would have died of starvation during the famine?
8. CHOOSE Judah to be the progenitor of the Seed?
9. CHOOSE Moses to lead Israel OUT of slavery in Egypt?
10. CHOOSE Aaron to serve as His first high priest in the tabernacle?
11. CHOOSE ISRAEL... to enter into a covenant with, so as to become His people (vs. some other nation(s))?
12. CHOOSE David as HIS first appointed king over Israel?
13. CHOOSE Solomon to build His temple?
14. CHOOSE Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Samuel, Ezra, Nehemiah, Jonah, Amos, Zechariah... and the plethora of other CHOSEN Prophets?
15. CHOOSE Cyrus to liberate Israel from Babylon?
16. CHOOSE Zechariah and Elizabeth to bear John?
17. CHOOSE... MARY... to be the mother of His SON?
18. CHOOSE John to be the one to announce the arrival OF that Son?
19. CHOOSE the 12 who would become our dear Lord's apostles?
20. CHOOSE to call the Ethiopian enuch... Cornelius... Timothy... and others?
21. CHOOSE to give John the Revelation?

CHOOSE... ALL of these... and NOT someone ELSE? Why weren't MANY women impregnated by holy spirit... and not JUST Mary? Why not 36 apostles (3 per tribe) rather than 12? Why Israel and not, say, the Egyptians?

Now, I get it, dear Char - you know even less about God AND Christ... that even I have given you credit for. You do... because those who have taught you, who you LISTEN to... DON'T KNOW THEMSELVES. You are so caught up in pointing the finger at JWs... that you can't even SEE... where YOU are in the SAME "boat," luv! Well, okay, maybe a different boat, but it's floating on the same dang river, girl!



Of course not, dear Char. Nor does God withdraw HIS love from any of US. It is WE who withdraw... from HIM. And so, if one of MY children CHOSE, as an ADULT, not to love me anymore... then I would do what the father of the Prodigal Son did: focus on the child who DID love me and stayed WITH me. That's not to say I would no longer love the one who left; if he came BACK... IN MY LIFETIME... I would welcome such one BACK... with open arms! If he CHOSE... to stay AWAY, however... DURING MY LIFETIME... then I would respect his CHOICE.

And it is the SAME with God and Christ, luv. We can ALL... COME to Christ (and he even calls OUT: "Come to ME!"), and so, by default, to God. If we don't CHOOSE to, however... then that's on US. NOT them.



You know, dear Char, I don't know if you realize it, but every time you do that, say things like that and try to apply them on those here, you're only showing what is TRULY in YOU: an insidious kind of "nastiness" that you try to hide from others. But that is the thing about Christ... and HIS Light: what is hidden IS brought to the light. Please... check your heart, dear one. Because there is a kind of "hate" there. It manifests when you are not agreed with. You can handle one not agreeing with you, but when it's more than one... and particularly people you don't really have much regard for (in spite of what you say)... it comes out.



Limitless, yes, in how MUCH it can and WILL cover. BUT until His kingdom ALSO... ENCOMPASSES... THIS world (which it DOESN'T, right now, and so IT'S ruler is still holding sway)... we CAN place ourselves OUTSIDE of that love. Adham and Eve did. The Adversary has. And those who do the works of the Adversary do. Which is why Christ CAME: to lead us BACK... into God's love, and thus, His kingdom. That's why he's a LIGHT, luv - to lead us OUT of darkness. Which "darkness" is OUTSIDE of God's LIGHT... and so, outside of His LOVE.



What rest of the world? We're only about 5-6 people engaged in a discussion, here, on a tiny, seldom visited by outsiders, internet forum. WE didn't come to YOU - YOU came HERE! So what are you TALKING about? You don't HAVE to come here, dear Char - you CHOOSE to! WHY?? Either to hear what we have to share as to what WE know and believe... or to share with us what YOU know and believe. If the first, then I honestly can't see how you can take issue. If it's the latter, then isn't it YOU who is trying to impose... on US??



No thought police, dear one - think whatever you WISH to. But tell the TRUTH? That's exactly what this is all about - telling the TRUTH... EVEN if it doesn't comport with what one "truly and deeply BELIEVES." Surely, you get that... right?



Seriously. You are NOT that puerile. Really, you're NOT. ARE you? I truly hope not.



No one accused you lying, dear Char. We DO say that you BELIEVE a lie, yes. They are not the same thing. But I'm sure you know that. To assert it, however, would undermine your need... and negate your justification... for all of the posturing you're doing. Please... pick up your jaw, quit faking like someone's "done" something to you... and less discuss this like the reasonable, rational, INTELLIGENT, adult... CHRISTIANS... we ALL claim to be.



Which is a lie.



And NO ONE disputes that. Doesn't make it TRUE, though. Anymore than the lies most JWs believe... from the heart... sincerely.



Doesn't make is true, though, luv. Anymore than, say, massacre of indigenous peoples was "right"... although TAUGHT as such. Again, as dear Zoe (peace!) posted: "A lie is a lie, even if EVERYBODY believes it." Surely, you can wrap your head around THAT truth.



Believe what you will, dear Char... but PLEASE don't believe your believing so... or stating so... makes me mad - LOLOL! Dear one, I don't care what you do or don't believe. This was merely about what is true... and what is not. BTW - you DO realize that, in light of the VAST Jewish system of his days in the flesh, our dear Lord was considered a sectarian? NO ONE had heard many of the things HE said... and some accused HIM of lying "against Moses". But that wasn't true, either.



No, no, I did not deny that at ALL. Indeed, I have reiterated it, at least three times now, that you were open and honest about what you BELIEVE. That what you BELIEVE is a LIE, though - THAT is the true bone of contention, here. You're just unwilling to admit that it IS the issue... and, as usual, have made it about YOU, personally, versus what you BELIEVE. Now, I get it that you can't separate the two... but that's on you, luv.



Sigh... okay, Char... "see" it however you wish... even if it's not the truth. That seems to be your "thing," anyway, which is why we got into this whole thing to begin with.



No, dear one. We are all not. Sorry if you can't receive that truth (yet)... but it is the truth.



Again, truth isn't based on how many believe it, Char. SURELY... you know this.



Really, it isn't. Again, sorry if you can't receive that, but it's true - it isn't the case that all are the children of God. TWO men sow their seed in the world, luv. TWO.



"Against" Mr. Tutu?? Of course not, Char. I'm not even against what he believes... or his right to believe it.



I don't disagree with that, to the extent God's household DOES include some from among ALL of these groups. And more. But that doesn't mean ALL are God's children, luv. IF we ARE of God's household... regardless of which of these groups we come from, we ARE, by default, sisters and brothers.

However, children of GOD... don't MURDER... other children of God, luv. It is the children of another... the seed of ANOTHER man... who murder their own brothers. if they DO, then they DON'T belong to God (and so aren't HIS children)... but belong to another (and thus are that one's children). Like Cain.

If you disagree, however, I suggest you take that up with John... or perhaps the men who compiled the Bible. For he (John) apparently wrote:

1 John 3:12 - Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous.



He came for everyone, yes... and will save those... ONLY those... of "everyone"... who demonstrates FAITH in him.

BUT... believe what you will, dear Char... but you truly MUST reconsider your issues with JWs and what THEY believe. Because you CANNOT take issue with THEM for believing lies... and DENYING that such beliefs are IN lies... while doing the EXACT same thing. THEY... OPENLY... HONESTLY... and SINCERELY... BELIEVE... that what they believe... is TRUE. But, I am SURE... YOU would AGREE... that it is NOT.

It is the exact... EXACT... same thing with YOU, luv. Despite your open, honest, sincerity... WHAT you believe... is NOT the TRUTH. It's a LIE. And so for you to point fingers at THEM... while doing the EXACT same THING... is... hypocrisy.

Beware the leaven, girl. Because it permeates... the ENTIRE... lump.

As always, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

As

Out of respect for dear ANOMOS (peace luv, and I hope it's not too late!)... why don't we take this outside (of THIS thread)?

Dear Char... peace to you... and I have responded to you, here:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1053

Also, if the other related posts could be moved to the new thread, that might be a good thing. If not to that thread, then perhaps to one of its own, but out of this one? Here's hoping!

Again, peace to you, all!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who must run to an appointment, so will be offboard most of the day...

Just wanted to say that my spirit hears what some are TRYING to help our dear sister "hear" (peace to you, all!). May ALL of us continue in our love for and toward one another. Because that IS the "common ground" our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) told us to seek. That... and the kingdom (of the Son OF God's love).

Peace to you... ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Good decision, Shelby!

More flags, I think, hung out in rejoicing that we agree!

And ok, I'll look at the new thread but it'll have to be a bit later. I have a family member travelling back from the Continent and expected any time now after being delayed home by the spectacular storm we've had in the UK and the English Channel.

I think that one of the hardest things to accept is that God does indeed Choose.
I think it should be made clear though that the choice is "more ours than His".
We choose to believe, we choose to have faith, we choose to follow.
God simply chooses those that choose Him.
Now, does God also choose those that, by NO fault of their own, don't choose Him in life?
Yes, yes I believe He does.
But the " no fault of their own" is getting to be a "thinner" and thinner excuse...

There are those to choose to not believe in God because they simply do not want to, they do not want to believe in GOD but choose to reject the god of their own making.
And there in lies a crucial element, many people read the bible and reject god because of their understanding of the bible.
Many reject god because of the words and works of organized religion.
Many reject god because they are motivated to do so because of hate or fear or pain or anger or even lust.

Such is life...

Further to my earlier comments on Loz's post, my attention turned to this little phrase.

For someone who has recently proved intellectual prowess, you demonstrate remarkably little ability to understand simple English, Loz.

I was not writing about the Catholic Church and so was not defending them nor trying to help their case, as you so quaintly yet manipulatively put it.

My objection was to being accused of, variously, lying and of lacking integrity. But I don't need to defend myself either. You, and those who share this extraordinary outlook, have condemned no-one but yourself and yourselves.

Shelby. You wrote elsewhere that no-one was accusing me of lying. That's not true. It's been inherent in a number of posts but was explicit in Loz's accusation that I lacked integrity.

That's all. I've said all I intend to say on this subject, and if you want to continue to hang, draw and quarter me on a forum, exhibiting your own incomprehension of who Jesus was and is, and a failure to understand the eschatological thread running through the Bible and Jesus' own message to us about God our Father, well, you'd just better get on and do it.

I won't be the first person to be falsely accused by a group of self-opinionated religious extremists, and I won't be the last.

My words you quoted here Chariklo were in response to this comment you made to JustMom actually:

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Your representation of the RCC here highlights their defects while conversely accentuating your love for Christ. A dichotomy indeed.

I then made it clear that your attacking of US is what now lacks impact and integrity (to me) since we've all heard it so many times when you don't have substance to your claims nor an argument against truth. It becomes more empty deflection. For the record, you seem to be more concerned about my proven intellectual prowess than I am, to be honest. Me, I am more concerned with my spirituality and my loyalty to truth.

I am also concerned about you, Chariklo. I hear in your words a love for our Lord and a wonderfully kind heart. I despair that you don't 'get' the truth that we share because I actually care very much. I don't understand your blindness, but I don't stop praying about it.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

You know Char, someone said something to me way back, when I was hurt at your attitude to some on here (which included myself)... They said that your opposition was actually providing a platform for an excellent witness to Christ. That resounded with me a great deal. Because it's true. When you come and share the RCC rhetoric, it prompts the spirit within us to fight for the truth of the Truth to be heard, for all to read and witness. In turn we all share wondrous truths from Him and I know I personally gain so much from that.

I have a very dear friend, not a happy lady, quite the reverse, a traditional conservative quite elderly lady, who is entrapped by the rhetoric of a church in Christendom. It isn't helping her. It isn't setting her free. She is very lost. I would give my right arm that she were here with us, even in opposition. I have invited her, encouraged her, told her that she will be sure to see/hear that Christ is here with us. And much as she loves me personally she doesn't visit us here. She is afraid of leaving traditional "Christianity" and so benefits not at all.

You are so blessed Char. Christ brought you here. You heard Him direct you here to us, one way or another, just as I did previously. I believe you are our sister. Please don't forego this wonderful invitation and blessing. Not for the RCC, not for anyone or anything.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

This is so beautiful Loz, this is so true!

I am privileged to be here and be able to share. It builds and strengthens my faith as well learning from those that hear our Lords voice and when my spirit resounds with the truth.

We do love you Char. And I am always reminded by my Lord to remember how entrenched I was with my doctrines and belief in the WTBS and how hard it was for me let go, jump, and allow Chirst to catch me. I thought I'd always need that " structure" " building" to worship through for salvation.
Just as does many millions in the world today.

But our Lord is and always should have been enough. Through HIM alone we can be led into " ALL TRUTH."

But it is US that has to be drawn to " COME to him and him alone"!

Thank you for sharing this Loz.
Hope your day is going well.

Hope your day is going well also dear Char,

Love to you all
Justmom

Well, I think most of us have been pretty clear (peace to you all!)... and all with ears to hear WILL hear and grasp the truth of what those of us who shared the truth stated. Some won't, of course, but it's always been that way among Israel, has it not? I must add, though... WELL said, dear, dear brother P (peace to you, luv)!!

Bottom line: we all have the FREEDOM to CHOOSE. Light or darkness. Life or death. TRUTH (and, by connection, THE Truth)... or the lie (and, by connection, the father OF the lie).

Choose for yourselves. We don't judge you. As Christ said, it is our own words that will judge us. And if those words are lies, well... easy enough equation to solve, IMHO.

Again, peace... to you, ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

wow...

im not getting how this is important, or how it will help in the edification of our faith, and how this will help me get out of my sins, and help others get out of theirs eventually, other than provoking judgement towards another which is not good