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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I understand where you are coming from Justmom when I read the scriptures and stories in the Bible I try to keep a temporal reference in my head and not intermingle.

We can all gain meaning beyond and over what was originally written by an author. many poems and stories have been given more meaning than what the author originally intended. That is the beauty of interpretation and philosophical excercises.

Now I can't argue with what your God told you or what AGuest's God told her as that conversation is between God and those he speaks to. My inner voice sees the stories more mundanely. There is a great possibility that I'm not yet at a level that you both are in understanding and time may change my perceptions on the matter but at this moment in time I believe that I'm meant to see them as I do now.


For now we are at different moments in our spiritual timeline so we perceive differently and that is okay You pound a nail in with a hammer and I pound a nail in with a rock... Both work but via different avenues
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JUSTMOM SAID


Thank you HP

The mention of the wild animals was something that the society engrained in us to go along with their teachings.


Moses's mother and Noah constructed the ARKS the same way.
Out of obedience to what they heard. And their works acted on what they heard.
It was Jah that empowered it with spirit at that point. Not Noah or Moses's mother. They just acted out of faith and because of it they were saved.

Keep on seeking, knocking and asking. Holy spirit is a gift. It is FREE and anyone who wishes can receive it.
Love justmom

OUTLAW SAID

The number 40 in eastern literature is not a literal number..
It means many-many..
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From Wikipedia:
The number 40 is significant in Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and other Middle Eastern traditions. It can represent an estimate, or many of something.
Judaism

Rain fell for "forty days and forty nights" during the flood
Spies explored the land of Israel for "forty days." (Numbers 13)
The Hebrew people lived in the Sinai desert for "forty years". This period of years represents the time it takes for a new generation to arise.
Moses' life is divided into three 40-year segments, separated by his fleeing from Egypt, and his return to lead his people out.
Several Jewish leaders and kings are said to have ruled for "forty years", that is, a generation. (Examples: Eli, Saul, David, Solomon.)
Goliath challenged the Israelites twice a day for forty days before David defeated him.
Moses spent three consecutive periods of "forty days and forty nights" on Mount Sinai:

AGUEST SAID



Not necessarily, dear HP (peace to you!), although it would certainly be written somewhere. The Bible is not from God nor is it the Word of God. The Bible contains "scripture"... which is from God; however (1) not all "scripture" is canonized in the Bible and (2) that scripture which is included (Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms, and the Revelation) has been tampered with.

Even so, a few of the Prophets (Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Daniel) are recorded as having mentioned it, along with Paul and John. For the sake of brevity, I will cite Paul and John:

Paul (as TO John) -

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell." 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

John (as to himself) -

"... the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it." Revelation 4:1, 2

Indeed, even Christ is recorded to have mentioned it:

"[Jesus] said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture." John 10:7-9

HE is the Door... the "Gateway"... into the spirit realm, dear one. Hence, his words:

"No one comes to the Father, except through me." John 4:6

Those who don't "get" these things are prohibited from doing so... understanding as well as entering... by the "curtain" that is their flesh. They don't understand that they have to go through the "Curtain"... that is Christ. Both to understand... and to "go in and out."

I hope this helps, dear one!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

YPPUPLLEH SAID

All information helps me Jesus taught in parables. A lot of lessons are taught using figurative language. In studying other religions I see a lot of parallels in images.

The Bible ive considered to be a compilation of stories and writings by men to help describe God. As humans we are forced to use concepts that are familiar and recognizable to our own physical reality. As such there is an unconscious limit placed upon God. To actually see God might drive us insane this is all conjecture

Let us say that Moses did indeed become an intangible spirit while in the floating crib and then become tangible when the woman opened it to peek inside. What lesson do we gleam from this?
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AGUEST SAID



Let's see, dear one (again, peace to you!) - perhaps, things like:

That when God has a purpose nothing and no one can stop it?
That when God makes a promise, He will see that it's fulfilled?
That while man is limited, including in his protection of others, God is not?
With God... all things are possible?
The flesh is of no use at all?
Through Christ, one CAN go in and out (between the spirit/physical)?
God knows us even when we are infants (even before, actually)?

Just to name a couple/few?

Peace!
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Paz a todos!

Su sirviente, compañera de estudios, y un esclava de Cristo,

SA

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Thank you for your patience with me thus far it is much appreciated. Plus I hope this discussion finds one of our posters as that person wanted more serious discussion

I'll have to return to this topic after dinner

I will add that all of those examples except for two would still benpossible had Moses never turned into spiritual form in the crib and of those two, Moses predates the physical Christ by quite a number of years
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AGUEST SAID


The physical manifestation of Christ, yes, dear one, but Christ is recorded to have said:

"Before Abraham was, I was/am."

Abraham predated Moses by approximately 400 years.

Peace, enjoy your dinner, and see you when you get back!
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Paz a todos!

Su sirviente, compañera de estudios, y un esclava de Cristo,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID



The physical manifestation of Christ, yes...
Hebrews 11: 13-16
"In faith all these died, although they did not get the fulfillment of the promise, but they saw them afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land. They were earnestly seeking a place of their own. Reaching out for a better place, one belonging to heaven, for God had made a city ready ready for them.
24 By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharoah choosing to be ill-treated with the people of god rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin. because he esteemed the reproach of the Christ as riches greater than the treasures of Egypt, for he looked intently toward the payment of the reward."

So Moses was definetly known by our Lord and He knew that!
Love justmom

YPPUPLLEH SAID

I'm back


Quoted from AGuest:

"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell." 2 Corinthians 12:2-4

Puppy's reply:

He wasn't sure if it was his body taken into the third heaven or his mind/soul(astral plane?) so it could have been a rapturous vision

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Quoted from AGuest:

John (as to himself) -

"... the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it." Revelation 4:1, 2

Puppy's reply:

Again was probably a rapturous vision

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Quoted from AGuest:

Indeed, even Christ is recorded to have mentioned it:

"[Jesus] said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture." John 10:7-9

HE is the Door... the "Gateway"... into the spirit realm, dear one. Hence, his words:

"No one comes to the Father, except through me." John 4:6

Those who don't "get" these things are prohibited from doing so... understanding as well as entering... by the "curtain" that is their flesh. They don't understand that they have to go through the "Curtain"... that is Christ. Both to understand... and to "go in and out."

Puppy's reply:

I take this to be figurative. He is the teacher and through him we pass through the gates of knowledge and into the Father. I don't see Jesus mentioning the body morphing into the spirit and back again.

If i was the sole heir to a martial arts system then I would be the Way into said system. It would only be through me that the true lineage of master to pupil could take place. All other "teachers" proclaiming to know the style would be false.

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As I understand it the period of "40 years" is pretty much the lifespan of man. So it means a long time and not necessarily 40 years. It again is a figure of speech such as "he's ancient" or "a lifetime"

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YPPUPLLEH SAID

AGuest wrote:

Puppy's reply:

All these lessons would still be the same without the body of Baby Moses turning into a spirit within the crib and becoming physical upon coming out of the crib.
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I will also add that whether or not there is a "Stargate" or star trek type Spiritual transporter system built into Noah's Ark or Moses' floating baby crib should not and does not change anything from the message as a whole.

All it adds is a supernatural element to the stories. Some people listen to the story of the flood and try to rationalize the logistics of the animal in the Ark when the "how" is not really important but it is the "why" that is addressed.

There is a danger in embellishing more to a story as each generation will add more and more and the outcome may soon be that baby Moses shot laser beams out of his eyes to turn away Nile crocodiles and hippos.

It turns the Bible into a collection of tall tales and legends with moral lessons(which I'm sure some would argue that that is exactly what the Bible is)
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YPPUPLLEH SAID

I may have made a mistake and need to clarify

Are we assuming that Noah's Ark and Moses' Crib were physical vessels? Or are we taking them to be figurative vessels?

Literal stories or teaching stories where the Vessels are symbolic?
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TEC SAID



I can't think of something written off the top of my head, but I did make a thread about this (not regarding the ark or moses... but regarding moving between the spiritual and the physical.) I believe Paul described it as putting on and taking off the flesh. The thread is on jwn, which I know you do not frequent, so I'll go find it and bring it over here.

Peace
tammy

JUSTMOM SAID




Yes dear puppy The lesson would still be the same.... but for me I see it as a sacred secret revealed to me that has been hidden from many in the world. But it doesn't have to be, all we have to do is "ASK"
It is "FREE" as is holy spirit to those asking.

As to the "vessels being physical" On the outside they were but inside it was spiritual. I'm sure people saw the Ark being built the whole time knowing they weren't going to get on with that "crazy" man Noah.

with love
justmom