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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:41 pm 
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I merely observe in amusement.


I fail to understand how one can be amused, knowing that someone else is in pain, regardless of whether one thinks the source of the pain is valid or contrived. I fail to understand how that is love.

I think the above is what can be and has been observed here... by even a small child.

It speaks for itself.



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tammy


Oh, Tammy, for goodness sake, get real! Could it get any more pompous!

Honestly, the show of pretend and obtrusive, self-proclaiming love on this forum is utterly ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:58 pm 
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Well, why don't you just think about it, or better yet ask Christ about it?


Loz' reaction to the conflict between you is hurt.

Your reaction is amusement, and you admit to "needling" her. (no one asks for things like that, btw... we are all in control of what we choose to do)


There is a discrepancy above, and you might want to think about that.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:59 pm 
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Dear Tammy, sometimes I feel as though we're just not on the same planet!


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:13 pm 
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That made me grin.


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Well, at least we're not "debating/discussing/arguing" over the OTHER two taboo subjects (race and politics) - peace to you ALL! So long as folks are discussing Christ... then if I have to be the badguy to get them to do, so be it. I don't shy away from the designation because it IS the lot of those who belong to Christ, yes? So, per my Lord:

"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5:11, 12

"Woe to you when [all] men speak well of you,
For so did their fathers to the false prophets."
Luke 6:26


As for being "saved" (wonder who's gonna broach the subject of being saved "from" WHAT...), no one has to take MY word for why I stated what I did. Takes Paul's:

"But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The Word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord JAHESHUA and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord... shall be saved.”

How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed[/u][/b]? And how shall they believe in Him that they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

But they have not all obeyed the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”[j] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."
Romans 10:9-17

And...

"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

"Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."
Galatians 3:2-9

"But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise...by faith in [Jesus] Christ... might be given to those who [i]believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be declared righteous... by FAITH.


How about the writer of the letter to the Hebrews?

"But WE are NOT of those who draw back to destruction but of those who have FAITH... to the saving of the soul." Hebrews 10:39

"Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto [Jesus], the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:1, 2


Fageddabout us. What is Christ himself is recorded to say? In the account regarding the two men impaled with him, he said to one:

“Assuredly, I say to you today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

WHY did he say that? Because the man believed in Christ's resurrection? How can THAT be... when the resurrection hadn't taken place? Nor is there any indication that man knew of such... or even looked forward to such. So, why did Christ say what he did? Because of the man's FAITH... in him as the Son of God! The SAME reason that my Lord said that he would build his "church" upon PETER'S... FAITH... that he, Christ... WAS THE SON OF GOD.

And that is what I am referring to: the One who speaks to me IS the SON of God. He is the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit. JAHESHUA. The CHOSEN One of JAH (MischaJah)... He who is the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH... of Armies (JaHVeH).

Now, do I CARE if anyone believes ME? No. Absolutely not. I cannot save a single not. Not even myself. But one would do well to ask himself/herself: how can my gaze be solely on CHRIST... if it's on the GB? The Pope? Shelby?

Stop looking at ME so much... and concerning yourself with what *I* say... and turn your gaze... and EAR... to CHRIST. And look at HIM... so as to hear what HE says. You might surprised what you receive.

K, gotta run. Plane to catch soon.

To ALL of you... peace to you... and may JAH bless! I'll be back a bit, so... PLEASE... keep the Light (that is Christ) ON in you!!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA













Matthew 10:22 - And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:52 am 
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Love the way you waited till I'd turned in for the night, too bad I checked in one more time.


Please don't flatter yourself that I am interested in your comings or goings. I really couldn't care less. I'm even amazed that you'd be so egotistic as to imagine it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 2:57 am 
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Bless you! :D

How else do you explain your constant need to comment, then?

Very strange.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:28 am 
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Pathetic. And by the way, you don't have the authority to 'bless' anyone.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:58 am 
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I'll be the seeing eye puppy and guide people back to topic ;)

Here is a what if but I'll need a little help from you Bible folk ;)

What are the verses that connect the crucifixion and resurrection with forgiveness of the sins of all mankind?

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YppuplleH wrote:
I'll be the seeing eye puppy and guide people back to topic ;)

Here is a what if but I'll need a little help from you Bible folk ;)

What are the verses that connect the crucifixion and resurrection with forgiveness of the sins of all mankind?


No, the crucifixion does NOT do that for all man kind.
Only for those that believe.
John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


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*nod nod nod*

Some would interpret "gave" as in given as a sacrifice.
I was hoping there would be more Bible verses explaining the reason for Jesus being put to death

Im trying to build up an idea of faith in Jesus vs. crucifixion and resurrection.

The often repeated saying is "He died for our sins" and i'm trying to address that statement

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YppuplleH wrote:
*nod nod nod*

Some would interpret "gave" as in given as a sacrifice.
I was hoping there would be more Bible verses explaining the reason for Jesus being put to death

Im trying to build up an idea of faith in Jesus vs. crucifixion and resurrection.

The often repeated saying is "He died for our sins" and i'm trying to address that statement


Ah, the "ransom doctrine" issue.
Is that what you mean?


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Yes ;)

As a child I often wondered how Jesus dying for us was any different from a person sacrificing his/her life to save their child, friend, parents, loved ones, country, etc.

A soldier who gives his life to save his comrades. Or a rescue worker who dies while saving those who need rescue.

What is the difference between Jesus dying for the sins of people two thousand years layer and a random person who chooses to die and states that its for future mankind

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Glad we're getting back on track here (hopefully...)

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“Assuredly, I say to you today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

WHY did he say that? Because the man believed in Christ's resurrection? How can THAT be... when the resurrection hadn't taken place? Nor is there any indication that man knew of such... or even looked forward to such. So, why did Christ say what he did? Because of the man's FAITH... in him as the Son of God! The SAME reason that my Lord said that he would build his "church" upon PETER'S... FAITH... that he, Christ... WAS THE SON OF GOD.

Interesting. Had to pause to think about that. Very logical.

That said, Christ knew he was about to die, so this promise could be made... yes, based on the man's faith in Christ, but by means of Christ's death. I view it as: FAITH in Christ is what we need for salvation. Christ's DEATH makes salvation possible. (Actually, this was an act of justice... I suspect he didn't need to die if the Father didn't want him to because all things are possible with God.)

And he went on to say: “Abba, Father, all things are possible to you; remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want.
- Mark 14:36


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Loz wrote:
[bPlus.... <.<

I chose not to have moderator powers for i have my own powers... Dark powers...

I'm not all bark though... *ominous soundtrack*][/b]

For what it's worth HP, I really enjoy your input on this forum, regardless of whether you are a moderator, or not.

Loz x


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