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JUSTMOM SAID




My understanding is that the serpent in Genesis IS Satan. Thus being cursed.
And that Christ is not Michael the arkangel as Hebrews 1: 1-8 He is "the son" not an angel.

I'm not understanding the divorce in Eden? Sorry

justmom

[quote]PSACRAMENTO SAID


If Jesus was Michael then Daniel ( who calls him ONE of the chief princes) and the writer of Hebrews ( Who states that Jesus is far superiour to any angel) and Paul ( who admonishes those that worship angels) all have a lot to answer for.

AGUEST SAID

Lar, dear, dear Lar... DEAR one (peace to you!)... even believers have to use SOME level of critical thinking (a LOT of it would be a good thing, but surely some basic critical thinking).

Think, then, please, on what dear PSacto (peace to you, dear one!)
has just stated to you. Please.

Peace to you, both!

A slave of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

"We are members of his body, of his flesh and of his bones" Ephesians5:30."

And then, verse 31 (thank you for restating these verses, Haggelos)

"This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

This is the crux of it, isn't it? Loz, thank you for bringing us back right on topic.

So, Christ, God's Son, through whom all things were created in the beginning, having then been born in flesh, to a woman, died and resurrected and ascended into Heaven, has in that process on its own united spirit and body, but his generosity goes beyond that. His church, which means his people, as a body, as a group, mystically, on earth and in heaven, is in unity with him, belongs to him, and is of him. He feeds us spiritually through his word and spiritually and bodily with his Body and Blood in Holy Communion (which Jehovah's Witnesses devalue and reduce to a parody with their once a year "memorial").

Marriage, viewed somehow, in some way, as a figure of Christ in relation to the Church (his people) and thus as part of this mystical union, becomes something altogether sacred and vitally important. Here, in this concept (yet another mind-blowing concept!) is a very deep truth indeed, being both a symbol and a reality, somehow reflecting the truth of God made Man, and encompassing God's great love for us, his Creation, to whom he gave, with such astonishing generosity, free will.

Thinking of his love like that takes my mind straight to Shelby's vision where she sees ...I think it was cherubim?...gazing adoringly at her. Some in another forum did not understand that, thinking that she was talking of herself, as Shelby, whereas those of us with eyes to see understood immediately that the awe with which those heavenly beings looked was not for her as an individual nor yet as a woman but for her as one of humankind, for whom and to whom God had given so much, so special is our place in his Creation.

Marriage, then, becomes a very much greater and more important mystery than one would ever believe.

Wow, Loz, thank you for this great thread!

LOZ SAID

Some excellent points you've made there Char. I didn't see Shelby's post about the cherubim actually, could you link it possibly? I'm wondering if the cherubim adoration was as you say or because she's a member of the spiritual bride? Interesting, either way.

Loz x

CHARIKLO SAID

Los, I thought I knew exactly where that reference was. But right now I can't find it. Maybe Shelby will post it, but if not I'll search till I do!

I remember the passage it was in but it's eluding me at this moment.

AGUEST SAID



Yes, of course, dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one, and MY apologies for my part in the deviation!).



YES!!, dear Char (the greatest of love and peace to you!)... but even more, they were not gazing at me, per se, but at me as [one of] the BRIDE of their Lord!! As dear Loz (the greatest of love and peace to you, as well, dear one!) rightly states! As HE does and will... and we HIM! That is their PURPOSE - why they were CREATED: as [public] servants to the Christ... AND HIS BODY!! Their adoration was to the Father, first. Then, the Son (if ya'll remember, some came to "minister" to him after the Adversary concluded his attempts to tempt him!). Then, to those who belong to the Christ, who are currently promised in marriage to him... and thus, ONE with him!

[Please, excuse my exuberance, but I am SO... "pumped"... that you all are getting this! I have held it for SO long... and I am OVERJOYED that others are hearing these truths, NOT from ME... but from the SPIRIT! WHOO-HOOO! PRAISE JAH!!! LOLOLOLOLOL! You do not KNOW what it feels like to know these things "alone"! You KNOW others know them... or WILL know them... but man, oh, man... I canNOT tell you my JOY right now!! I have been WAITING for you dear ones... for SO long!! LOLOLOLOL!]

Okay, back to the topic (LOLOL!):

Can you "adore" a man... and dismiss/ignore/poorly treat his "flesh"? Even we, today, if we like a man (or woman), we do all we can to show regard to his wife/her husband, as well, right? Much more if we LOVE that man/woman! It is the same with the vision - they weren't "adoring" me because of WHO I am... but WHAT I am: a member of the Bride of Christ. HIS flesh... and HIS bone! So, in "adoring" ME... they were giving adoration and honor to HIM! Because HE is the One who CHOSE me/us! So, they honor HIM... by honoring his CHOICE. Here, as to his choice of "bride"! And not just me, of course, but ALL who make up that "City"!

Oh, my goodness... I feel like I've just had a HUGE "load" lifted from me! I want to cry, truly! If only Israel would realize the WONDERFUL... MAGNIFICENT... GIFT... they could have! If only those who are still seeking would. If only MANKIND would...

This is not about purple dragons and faeries and wizards and magic. It is REAL and about the REALITY. But, as our dear Lord said, it is not for everyone, that not everyone would get it. That looking, they would look in vain, and hearing they would hear in vain. That they would honor him with their LIPS (and even DIShonor him, as we now can see!)... but their HEARTS would be far removed from him!

But it is for this reason, dear ones... the privilege of being a part of the Bride of Christ... that we must GUARD our hearts... "protect" them from all other "loves"! Because there is no greater "offer" on the table for mankind! To think... to even be considered as a part of that...

Sigh...

They were not cherubs, dear Loz/Char, but only seraphs. Cherubs are seraphs; however, they are high-ranking seraphs. For example, Michael is a cherub. As is Gabriel. Belial ("Satan") was, too - he is no more but only a seraph and even the lowest among those, now. Abaddon is a cherub. Raphael, Uriel... and others. Two of these (Michael and Belial) were arkangels (cherubs of the Ark - all angels are seraphs; all seraphs are angels. Angel is the purpose - servants. Seraph is the species. Cherub, "prince", arkangel... is the responsibility/task/position).

The two that ministered to me were just "worker bees"... assigned to me. ALL of the Bride have angels assigned to them, more so that any others of mankind.

Wow. I am "exhausted" - LOLOL! So MUCH in me on this... that finally got to come out. And, again, I am SO glad that you did not receive your understanding on this from me, but from the Spirit. Let him, dear ones, guide you... into ALL truth. He will.

Thank you, dear Loz... for this thread and topic.

YOUR servant, all of you... as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who with (thus, constituting them Israel, as well!)... sister... and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

LOZ SAID

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject:


Shelby, I know, I feel very similar,I have waited so so long too, and in a kind of isolation if you understand? Certainly not as pro-active as yourself.

I've found it very difficult to trust, to share. Ridicule and accusations abound and when you've suffered a lot already, as most of us have, it can be challenging to keep going...as opposed to savouring it within oneself..which is wrong of course...

Because of being unable to trust to share and exchange I have been dumbing my spirit down, if you understand?
This forum, its ethos, my developing trust is revitalising me in an incredible way. I can feel it all bubbling up, wanting to come out, and the joy is wonderful. Thank you all for this provision.

Ok, platitudes over, lol, could you Shelby go back to my 2nd Post on Page 1 please and discuss some of the questions I am pondering there?
That would be lovely....in your own time of course...ha ha

Loz x

JUSTMOM SAID

Yes.....

And yet another lie that the WTBS teaches.

That there are NO "guardian angels"

If Michael is an "ARKangel" and was responsible for guarding the ark or the seed that resided in it, He would be Israels/ guardian angel.
(those that are in the covenant/brides/virgins)

And Satan who at one time was an ARKangel now in his fury is raging war with the remaining ones of the seed.



justathought
justmom

JUSTMOM SAID





Good Morning Loz

In a spiritual sense "A man leaving His Father and Mother and sticking to His wife" I believe has reference to Christ leaving the spiritual world (His Father and Mother) and coming down and finding a wife, building a house (the true church) and sticking to us like "ONE FLESH" feeds us, charishes us, protects us, loves us to the point of complete sacrifice.

Not sure if I put it out there right?
justmom

LOZ SAID

Thank you Just Mom, it may do certainly, but I'm more inclined to relate it to his feelings before the marriage of the Lamb in Christ's case...or just prior to his owning his bride by their adoption...and I wonder at the significance for the bride? and whether my earlier supposition is correct...

I need to be able to understand the significance of the physical in the way that it illustrates the spiritual and I'm still thinking on it....

Loz x

AGUEST SAID


Oh, I certainly DO understand, dear Loz (peace to you, luv!). Did it for close to 16 years as a JW - LOLOLOL! I cannot tell you how many times I felt like I was one step away from tasting BLOOD, I was biting down SO hard to keep my mouth shut! And the head-nodding, when everything IN me said, "NO! NO! That's NOT what it says/accurate!" They slap you down/shut you up SO quick... sometimes even with just a look! You feel like a child, literally! No, not even a child... a spiritual 'idjit'! LOLOLOL!

Off to check out your questions (sorry I overlooked - posting here, posting there, chasing puppies, doing laundry, job searching - not in a hurry with that one, though, but want to see what's out there)... etc., etc.

So if I miss something... anyone... just let me know. Not trying to overlook/ignore anyone/anything!

Peace... and PRAISE JAH! Let every living thing, every living BREATHING thing... let it praise JAH!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

AGUEST SAID

Okay, let's try this again, dear Loz (peace to you, dear one!):



Ahh, yes. I can see where dear 'Mom's response doesn't quite answer (peace to you, too, dear 'Mom!), and her's speak to our Lord. Your next statement is accurate as to US but there is a bit more:



While 'Mom is correct that the "man" is Christ, in this scenario we are the "WIFE". She, too, has left HER father and mother... and THEIR "law"... to now dwell with our "husbandly-owner" and HIS law. Who is that "father" and "mother"? You all know I did not know... and so had to ask. And what I received is it is NOT our fleshly parents at all! Rather, the "father" was the OLD Law... and the "mother" was "Babylon the Great" (well, her "daughters" - those "women"... religions)... that we once belonged to! There were/are surrogates for a time... until the time our heavenly Father appointed for us... for our ADOPTION... by Him and by our TRUE "mother"... Jerusalem Above.

Please, I know this is yet another "new" thing... so please, ask for yourselves so as to be sure and follow the SPIRIT on this... and not me. But I promise you, it is what I heard from our Lord, the Spirit... and I have not lied nor deviated one iota from it.




Yes, as to both!


Faith is based on the heart condition, dear one... to a greater or lesser extent, so if faith IS involved, then the heart condition would be a given. But you are right regarding the "wind" the breath of JAH, holy spirit! - Genesis 2:7; John 20:22): the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it... and when... and how. He chooses, through Christ, and then sets the members in the Body just as HE chooses. So, while one "stone" may fit perfectly "here"... another might need to be placed "there". You get the picture -

Wow... WHAT a morning (or evening, for those of you across the Pond) and what a day of revelation! !!

Peace to you ALL! I am truly grateful... and humbled... to have such a sharing! With him... AND with you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

do like that little thing, (well, all of it, but this bit jumped out at me), one stone fitting here, and another there.

That is actually very deep, and resounding with truth.

AGUEST SAID

My ex hoddied for a bit, dear Char (peace to you!): mixed "mud" (cement) for a master bricklayer. I used to take them lunch from time to time and I would watch. It really is fascinating to watch a master at this craft. His son, a JW elder (who got my ex the job)... SHOULD have been a master but wasn't due to decades of pioneering obligations.

Anyway, I would watch the son and he would choose a brick and many times it didn't fit. So he would put it back in the stack and choose another. Or he would hack at one, until it fit.

His father, the master, though... now that was another story: he NEVER chose the wrong brick! EVER! And if he needed to make one fit (say, at the end of a line where less than a whole brick could fit), he struck it... once. ONLY once. And it always... ALWAYS... fit! EVERY time! I even asked him about this and he said that after 40 years of laying bricks he knew "exactly where to hit" a brick to make it fit where he needed it to.

My point, though, is that for the regular, whole bricks... he could look at the pile and KNOW exactly which in fit the particular space. And if you think that was something, watching him do it with, say, round river rocks or flat but various sized rocks...

Again, the man was a master at his craft. So are JAH and Christ... as to ALL they do, and particularly as to building JAH's temple!

Just a little trivia, dear ones!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA