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Would you agree that we can know exactly what is coming... if our Lord TELLS us what is coming, and we hear Him?

Peace,
tammy

Of course! This is wonderful, thank you for sharing it JustMom.

To add to your quoted scriptures Shelby regarding who are to be excluded,



Loz x

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Good morning, Chariklo!

I know that you are out and about, and you are understanding perhaps, more of what Loz and JM have shared. I don't want to interfere with that, so I will just try and clear up what I was asking you for.



I am actually asking you to do as to what you tried to do above.

You will not give me proof (I do not know what proof you think I could have been asking for)... because Thomas refused to believe without SEEING the wounds in Christ hands, and was rebuked for his lack of faith... whilst those who believed without seeing (but who do hear) were blessed.

So right there you gave me your reason for saying no (to what you thought I was asking), based upon something that Christ taught.


That is all I am asking. If you are going to say something that you believe to be true about God and Christ... then please share your reasons for believing as you do, according to Christ. (you can share any reason that you have... but if your reasons are not what Christ taught... then why would we believe them?) Otherwise, you are asking us to just take your word for it, and we will not do that... anymore than we would ask you to do that with us. Which is why when you disagree with something that we have shared, we give you backing for what we have shared, according to Christ and his teachings, so that you can see, and hopefully also hear.





But WHY do you find that terminology uncomfortable, Char? These are HIS own words. (My sheep hear my voice) How can His own words be unfamiliar to you, and make you feel uncomfortable?


Peace to you,
tammy

Then such one is NOT being led by CHRIST, dear P (mornin' and peace to you, luv!)... but, as you stated, by their OWN understanding of Christ. Which is the case with MOST who call themselves "christians." One who IS led by Christ, though, THROUGH God's BLOOD that is IN them... holy spirit... which SPEAKS... and in a BETTER way... does NOT lean upon their OWN understanding but LISTENS... to the VOICE of the CHRIST, the One LEADING them.

I realize that one who has not (yet) EXPERIENCED this might think that one who PROFESSES this IS only going on their own understanding. Once it occurs for such one, however, they realize that THEY were mistaken. That, like Job, they spoke... WITHOUT understanding... THEMSELVES.

Please... reread what you posted and THINK on what you stated. One CANNOT be led by Christ, yet such leading be according to their own understanding. If so, the TRUTH is that such one is LEADING... himself/herself. (Smile - Our dear Lord just quietly said... with a smile... "No, child, such one is MISleading himself.")

I DO understand how these things are perhaps more difficult for a MAN to grasp. Please, before you... or anyone else... take offense at this generalization, let me explain, because it's the SAME reason why women tend to have and exercise faith SOONER... and sometimes to a greater extent... than men (and if anyone disagrees, I ask only that you look at the membership of religion... and the ratio of men... to women).

WOMEN are taught... ALMOST FROM BIRTH... [that they are expected] to follow, in the world. Follow a father, mother... or husband. Some even belief they are to follow their children, and especially a male child. Indeed, many are taught that husbands, men, elders, etc., is the HEAD (in the relationship). We take MEN's names, bear THEM children, etc. Yes, I know: there are exceptions and in some places the times, they are a changin'... but I promise you, they are only for some. Most women don't WANT the change/shift in roles-power, but only to be treated better/equally.

MEN are taught... ALMOST FROM BIRTH... [that they are expected] to LEAD, in the world. Lead a wife, children, a mother, and in time, a father. A company. A crew. Whatever.

So what? So, in the relationship with CHRIST... WE... are ALL... WOMEN. His "Bride". NONE are husbands, because HE is the husband. And so, for US... women...SUBMITTING to another as our HEAD... it a little EASIER. We don't fight against it or if we do it is not in the same way/to the same extent as men.

MEN, on the other hand, find themselves in a conundrum: the dichotomy of being a MAN... in a relationship were one is ALSO a WIFE. Of course, there are exceptions here, too; there are some men who have absolutely no problem with being IN or traversing the adjustment in paradigms to BE in such a position. However, I am sure you can see where the more "macho" a man is, the more difficult the transition/position would be.

My point is that, like Mary, some of us (women) here, have NO problem recognizing, acknowledging, FOLLOWING, and telling others about the voice of our dear Lord. We KNOW Who it is! However, like even (some of) the men who LITERALLY walked with our dear Lord (i.e., those who opposed him, left him, betrayed him, denied him, hid themselves for fear of receiving his fate, didn't believe the women when they reported seeing Christ alive... or Thomas, who SAW him, yet demanded more proof before he WOULD believe)... faith... REAL faith... comes a bit harder to (some) men.

BUT... it does come... IF such one KEEPS asking, KEEPS seeking, and KEEPS knocking.

Such (men) who love Christ... but may not have reached the point in their faith as (some) women have in theirs... MIGHT find some help in the following prophecy:

"JaHVeH announces the word,
and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng" Psalm 68:11

Because the scribes LACKED holy spirit and so leaned on THEIR own understanding, they grossly misrepresented this verse. Accurately transliterated, it states:

"JaHVeH announces the Word,
and the women who proclaim him are a mighty throng"

The "him" that the women proclaim... is God's Word... and Son... the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One OF JAH (MischaJah).

And that is what you see occurring here: us not proclaiming OURSELVES... or OUR understanding... but Christ, the Word of God, who is our Lord... and HIS knowledge, which he has lovingly condescended to share with US.

That's really it, and all, dear one. If you can receive that truth. Not all can.

I hope this helps and, as ALWAYS, the greatest of love... and peace... to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Nope.
Why?
because we are still human and, like Paul for example and some first generation apostles as well, though that the second coming would happen in their lifetimes, we sometimes read what we want into our Lord's message.
We are and always will be human.

Shel,
There is no way for a human to be infallible.
As such, since everything we are able to convey is based on how we can convey it and understand it WITHING the context of our limited ability to do so, we can only be "right enough" or "correct enough" or "good enough" in our ability to understand and express our Lord's message.
There is no way around that simple fact that we are human and limited in ability to understand and, perhaps more importantly, convey.

We can never separate our understanding from our ability to understand, we just can't do it.

I understand your position, dear brother (peace to you, luv!). I have come to know a bit different (indeed, overcoming what you are saying we "do" is exactly WHY Christ MUST lead his sheep... and so WHY... WE... MUST (learn to) listen to HIM... RATHER than to ourselves, dear one!)... but I totally respect where you are in YOUR understanding.

If we both listen to and follow Christ, I have NO doubt that the "paths" we each are walking WILL converge at some point. IF we both listen to and follow Christ. In the meantime, nothing wrong with waving at or calling out TRUTH to one another... across the "Way"! LOLOL!

Peace, luv!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

No disagreement there Shel

One of the things I do is to make sure that what I hear from Our Lord is what I am hearing and not what I WANT to hear, since I know that I tend to do just that.
I tend to be self-critical in that way simply because on of the first things Our Lord said to me was, "Listen to ME and what I say, not what you want to hear".

I'm not ready to answer all that I want to yet. Too many posts have taken place during the day, and I've skimmed through them, but the two I really want to answer are justmom's and Loz's back on the previous page.

However, there is one little bit I can't let pass without comment. Shelby wrote



ROFL! Honestly, Shelby, few people could so obviously twist the meaning of something as you do and then proceed as if black was white and up was down!

I didn't find your post difficult to read because I lacked any desire to "receive TRUTH!" You are kidding yourself, I'm afraid. I found it difficult to read because it contains huge chunks of irrelevant Biblical texts and uses language that would have done the Watchtower proud. It read just as if it had been filched straight from the Watchtower. That's what was wrong with it. As to faith, I have had faith for at least the last 67 years. There's no lack of faith, and that I don't adopt your unusual doctrines does not mean I lack faith.

Today is not over yet, but there is a lot going on here and I don't know if I'll get a chance to post here till tomorrow. We'll see. But: the posts I want to answer are those two posts made by justmom and Loz last night.

If you ARE doing this Paul... making sure that what you are hearing IS what He is saying, and not what you want to hear... then I do not understand how you can say that we CAN'T do that?

Why would He tell you to listen to Him, and what HE says... rather than what you want to hear... if you CAN'T do as He has told you to do?


Again, I keep thinking I must be misunderstanding you.


Peace,
tammy

Well, excluding One (human), you're absolutely right, dear one (as always, peace, luv!). But was it not by holy spirit that that One WAS infallible? Just asking...



Perhaps. May I ask... is right enough... correct enough... good enough... enough? When, though, IS it right ENOUGH... correct ENOUGH... good ENOUGH? What is "enough," luv? And for whom? Can one's "enough" be superior/surpass another's "enough"? Can one's be inferior to another?



I disagree, my dear, dear brother: there IS... ONE Way. John 14:6 Now, I get that perhaps you're not (yet) at a place in your faith where you BELIEVE that One when he said, "With GOD... ALL things are possible"... but I have come to know that he wasn't lying. So, for ME, there IS a "Way" around that "fact": THROUGH... Christ.



Which is the PURPOSE of holy spirit, dear one: to me us less LIKE humans, and more LIKE God... albeit STILL human. Like Christ.



Dear P... all of Israel, from Moses onward... looked for and thought Messiah would come during their life time. It is the HOPE. That he didn't was not and should NEVER be a reason for the NEXT generation to LOSE hope. Because we are to talk NOT by sight, right, but by FAITH? And so, like Noah, like Enoch, like Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Samson, and so many others... including the apostles... we KNOW he will return (the ASSURED expectation of the thing hoped for - here, his return and gathering of us). We don't give up FAITH... just because it didn't occur when OTHERS of faith HOPED it would.

Because, eventually he DID come for Israel... AND the world. Yes? Took some time, okay, as far as WE know time, but the promise was fulfilled. And he WILL come again... but this time, for his Bride.



If we're listening to ourselves, yes. I agree. Absolutely. If we're listening to our dear Lord, though... how can that be? I mean, if we're TRULY... LISTENING. Which I admit, most are not. But most is not ALL. Right?



Sorry, but I can't agree with that, luv. We will be in THIS life, while in THESE vessels, yes. But isn't that ALSO the hope... to be RELEASED from these vessel... to put OFF the corruptible (the earthly and mortal, and thus human)... and put on the INcorruptible (the heavenly and IMmortal... and thus, spiritual)?



WE can't, no, luv. But... CHRIST... CAN. He can OPEN our ears AND eyes... so that we CAN hear and see that which is NOT visible, audible, or apparent to us by means of our OWN ears and eyes! That is the POINT, luv.



Well, then, if YOU can do it... so can others, yes? BUT... your comment seems to imply that YOU are able to do that. I confess to you that I am NOT... and I so HAVE to rely on our dear Lord, who is the Holy Spirit... on the ANOINTING I received from him... the BLOOD that SPEAKS: holy spirit. And so, I must say to Father, as the Psalmist did:

"MAKE me do YOUR will."

And He DOES... by making it so I CAN hear His Son and Word. By OPENING my ears and eyes. Not ME opening them!



Yes, dear one, YES! And that's EXACTLY what we're talking about: listening to him... and what HE says. It CAN be done, and with clarity. And the closer we GET to him... the BETTER we hear... and SEE. Based on what HE tells and shows us... and NOT on what WE think/believe.

That's exactly the point, dear, dear P. And you yourself have shared the TRUTH of this with us.

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I used to wonder if you remembered what YOU post, dear Char (peace to you!). I don't (wonder) any more; I know you don't. You can't... and I truly don't think you're THAT dishonest. So, you MUST forget.



Yes, you did. I am sorry if you have difficulty receiving that, as well...



No, I'm the one being truthful. You are the one wanting others to THINK you are being so, although even YOU know you are not. But it takes a certain amount of courage to BE truthful, dear Char... and such courage does not care whether others agree, believe, or likes one.



Oh, here it comes: the silliness. Which is now bordering on ridiculous. Again... please... show me where I've erred, dear Char, and where the RELEVANT texts are that dispute this claims of IRRELEVANCY. I beg you. Please. For once in your profession of "knowing"... put YOUR minas where YOUR mouth is.



Impossible. They don't know or teach such. However, YOUR comments repeatedly and consistently read as if filched from some pro-RCC dicta published by someone who received HIS ordination FROM that city... not from God OR Christ.

(Waiting for the hypocritical ripping of the garments, tossing of ashes, weeping, and gnashing of teeth... because I mentioned the RCC... 4... 3... 2...)



And that means... what? Talk about sounding like a JW ("How long have YOU be in 'the truth'?"). Moses was a baby. Jeremiah not even born, then only 17. John... not even born, then 30. Christ himself was only 30. How long had the apostles had faith in our Lord before he called THEM? Saul of Tarsus... "a young man." How many were children, dear Char? One can live to 100 and STILL not have faith.

Heck, one leave EGYPT at age 27, see the Red Sea parted and literally cross it themselves... and then WANDER... FOR 40 YEARS... and STILL lack faith... so as NOT to cross into the promised land... but be laid low JUST outside.

So, you say that... to say... what? That you're a senior person who professes faith? Surely you know, you're not the only one to do so.



There is... and NOT because I said it, no. YOUR words show it, luv. Remember, it's our own words that will ultimately judge us. So, this isn't about my unusual doctrines; it's about what you SAY... that negates your claim (of faith). YOU are the one showing it, dear one. I'm just not going to lie to you about it.



Take your time, luv. Plenty of time tomorrow.



No worries. If you get to it, wonderful. If not... but I'm sure you will, so no need to even think along that line.

Until then... peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I didn't find your post difficult to read because I lacked any desire to "receive TRUTH!" You are kidding yourself, I'm afraid. I found it difficult to read because it contains huge chunks of irrelevant Biblical texts and I didn't find your post difficult to read because I lacked any desire to "receive TRUTH!" You are kidding yourself, I'm afraid. I found it difficult to read because it contains huge chunks of irrelevant Biblical texts and uses language that would have done the Watchtower proud. It read just as if it had been filched straight from the Watchtower.


Hello dear Char,

I am really not understanding here.

We ALL share what we HEAR.....and this is not okay with you because you say its not accurate, truthful, you are uncomfortable with it, and CHRIST doesn't speak this way!

So, we validate it with what is written that you yourself can read in any bible if you choose because I gather since you don't trust the voice we hear ( which is fine) so you may read it by seeing it ( like Thomas).

Which then, you say is scattered few verses taken out of context. And sounds like straight out of the WTBS. Which how would you really know for sure if you don't read them and share with US what were missing in them. Share the correct ones and what you 'hear'. ( but you don't hear CHRIST)

Then dear Shelby ( thank goodness she can type was faster than me) shares what you call " chunks" of irrelevant verses. Now we have gone from a " few" to " chunks".
Which lets be honest. Shelby shares, paragraphs and chapters sometimes to show us where it is written to be able to put trust in as well. ( thank you for this my sister)

How many verses, chapters, books do you need?

And you Char still provide nothing....yet call it scattered, chunked, irrelevant, and WTBS!

Why can't you just admit, you don't know your bible. The Catholic Church doesn't want you to know your bible anymore than the WTBS wants its members to have higher education.

For the exact same reason dear Char. So you will not SEE truth. So you will trust THEM to give you "TRUTH" and not Chirst. You will trust them to " give you food at the proper time".

You trust THEM to interpret the scriptures for you, thereby twisting them to their traditions and doctrines. Thereby making THEM your mediator between Jah and You!!!
You already call them " Father".

Char, I realize you are going to ask me ...

"How do I know what the RCC does"???

As hard as this for you to hear, it is because my Lord has shown me that the same thing I did and was doing inside the WTBS, is what you my sister are doing as well in the RCC.

I do not need to attend mass to know this. My Lord has revealed this to me and I trust him completely.
I see it even more as I have been here and watched you all this time protect and defend a religion that is unclean, full of hypocrisy, murder, deceit, mediates between man and CHRIST, calls itself the true church ( the truth, sound familiar?) and yet denies our Lord speaks except through the Pope. ( like the GB, sound familiar?)

But it doesn't have to be this way Char.

I of all people here have not had the exposure of the world and education that some of you have had.
But I do know for a certain that what why Lord has shown me and told me, I cannot deny it, I would NEVER know any of this on my own. I would have never left the WTBS had it not been for HIM speaking to me directly and showing me the things he has shown me and anointing me with his spirit as the Holy Spirit.

He has truly been merciful and loving and kind to ME! I am so grateful he found me.

And this same invitation and call to " COME " to him is open and available to all!
By means of the free gift of the Holy Spirit, which IS our Lord is all we need to be led into all truth.

Nothing else, no earthly institution, no GB, no Pope, no other leader! JUST CHRIST and his yoke.


Again I have nothing but love for you Char,
Love Justmom

Wow JustMom, that is some plain speakin there girrrl, yes it is, ain't no question!

Way. To. Go!

Loz x
( who loves nothin more than plain speakin...)

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