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Tammy, I am not going to play Shelby's game of going through a post sentence by sentence to see what scores can be made. Nor do I want to take part in the kind of ding dong arguments you take part in on another site.

It's all too easy to follow that kind of lead, and I understand that and see how your own posting style has gradually changed over the last very few years.

Not for me. Sorry to disappoint you.

Ah. The site felt it needed to show me Shelby's post. Well, there you go. As expected, though even sooner than expected.

My words above apply. Not playing your game, girls.

It's not a game, dear Char (peace!); it's my style. To address ALL that is stated... because I have learned of the "game" some play by responding to things that were never stated, taking things that were stated out of context, even changing the topic while pretending not to. So that there is no HONEST misstating of what I stated ('cause there certainly is DISHONEST and intentional misstating... even from you, sadly)... I do so clearly and literally to the statement made.



"Ding dong." Would that be another way of saying "silly"? But then, that would make you a hypocr... nevermind, I'm sure you get my drift. I am POSITIVE others get it.



Then you should have no problem doing so. You should actually try it... since you often post how you're misunderstood. Let's BOTH post to what the other is STATING... and not what we [want others to] think they're saying.



Hey, it's a GOOD style. Again, it addresses the actual statement(s) made. It also helps one GET what another has stated, because you have to address what WAS stated... and not what you THINK was stated... or meant. Again, you should try it. Takes a bit longer than, say, just typing silly rhetoric designed to deflect from the TRUE discussion... but it gets easier as you do it. After awhile you don't even know you're typing more. You DO, however, see that you're having more of an actually CONVERSATION... than just spouting rhetoric 'cause you want others to THINK you're "smart." It's also more respectful: to address what a person has SAID/posted... that just what we WANT to address, and even then not accurately.



Of course it isn't. Because it would require you to LISTEN (well, read... in which case you might HEAR what someone, besides yourself, is SAYING. MAYBE... even Christ himself!). So, you're only disappointing yourself, because you're missing out on SO much. Which is usually what happens with people who know how to talk... and perhaps talk WELL... but don't know how to LISTEN... too... and AS well.



Not even sure what that's about. Another disconnected Char-ism, I guess. Ah, well...



No game, dear Char, at ALL. For perhaps the very first time in your LIFE... you're dealing with women who are keeping it VERY real for you. Thing is... can YOU handle that? I'm not so sure. At least, not yet.

As always, PEACE to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

All of the that was ad hominem, Char... deflection from the questions asked of you.



There is no point scoring... except perhaps if you are trying to keep score yourself. Perhaps you see it as a point scoring because you cannot refute the things being said, and so feel you have 'lost points'?. But the point by point is to ensure that nothing is ignored or misunderstood, that all is responded to. Often, when going point for point, what is truly being said (or not being said) is REVEALED.

For instance, your approach to the bible is to sort of stand back... and look at it as a whole, right? Glazing over individual pieces that might reveal to you that your 'whole picture' is actually based on what you want to see (or what others have told you IS the meaning of what is written), and not what is actually there.

Same with reading a post. Often there are many words to some... but no substance. People agree with what they THINK they see; but line by line reveals what is actually written.



I have explained why I use that style. I think you are trying to say something else 'indirectly', lol... but you can correct me if I am mistaken.



You are not disappointing me. Do as you choose. You are the one taking issue with how I (and Shelby and various others) post. I don't care if you don't respond line by line, though it would be nice if you answered questions asked of you in order to move the discussion forward, rather than simply circling back around to the same point page after page.



The site always reveals the posts that got posted while you are writing yours. Just in case you want to change something as per what was just added to a conversation.



Don't know what you are talking about.



What game?



Peace,
tammy

I would like to insert a 'sigh'. That's all. Thank you.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

No need to sigh, dear, dear Loz (peace, luv!). Consider the... mmmmm... other opportunities such discussions present. While may be hard NOT to focus on JUST the silliness, there ARE some other "gems" to be shared and gathered, yes? Keep your head up, luv! This is NOTHING compared to the melarkey are dear Lord encountered. Yet, he never failed to use the opportunity... OR to speak the truth! We are PRIVILEGED to have the opportunities WE do!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar, in a "glass half FULL" kinda mood today!

Good point Shelby. Yes. I should keep perspective.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Smile...

Peace, dear one... truly!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Just to aid understanding, obviously sadly lacking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_People_Play_(book)

Eric Berne is a very well-known and respected psychiatrist.

Tammy, you don't know what ad hominem means. I know you've picked up what you think it means off that other ex JW site.

Just to help you, it's Latin, and it means literally "to the man". In dialectic, which includes this forum though in parody form, it means having such a weak argument that you try to gain support by attacking the person. I pointed it out in respect of Loz's post, in which she gave us a fine example; thank you for that, Loz.

No, Tammy, it means nothing about deflection, but hey, if you like to play with those terms that you don't really understand, no problem! I'll fill in where required. Doesn't worry me if you mock me. You might as well tell Dr Berne he doesn't know anything about the psychological games people play. In that respect, you can just study this forum. It's invented some really wacky variations.

I know what ad hominem means, Char... and do you not think that ad hominem attacks can be used to deflect from their inability or unwillingness to argue the point itself?


Ad hominem:

Bypassing the argument by launching an irrelevant attack on the person and not their claim.

From this site, that I have bookmarked in my browser:

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... fallacies/


Not sure how saying that you were deflecting is mocking you though.

Haven't read your article yet.


Peace,
tammy

This is just all too sad. I am out of words this evening.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Interesting, dear Char (peace to you!). Tell us, please, what it's called when you have NO argument... and so try to gain support by attacking the person? I could be wrong, but I'm thinking it's the same word.

Shaking head...

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar, who wonders: will your hypocrisy NEVER cease? How about your DENIAL?

On a lighter note, this chapter from Berne's book looks interesting:



Well it made ME laugh.

Yes, it's a good book, glad you're reading it.

Another one you might enjoy, by a different author, Ataloa, is called, fetchingly, "I'm ok, you're ok".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_OK,_You're_OK

There are more in that line and I'm trying to remember the name of one particular author, but so far without success.

There's some pretty good "self-help" in reading ALL the words, too (may you all have peace!). AND... it's FREE! Doesn't cost a dime! (For those who might ask: no, one doesn't have to buy a Bible; one can simply borrow one - pretty much everyone knows someone... or knows someone who knows someone... who has one and will surely loan if not give it to them).

Even better and EASIER, though, to just listen to HIS voice. One can get REAL "expert" advice that way... tailored specifically for YOU*... and there's NO royalties involved!

Easy-peasy!

Peace!

A slave of Christ (*who knows each one of us better than even we know ourselves and so would be in the BEST position to tell us how to help ourselves, indeed, that's really all he WANTS to do!),

Shellamar