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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 am 
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Thanks for this, dear BTS (peace to you!). I realize that space exploration is an important endeavor, but can't see why Mars, given the expense, the fact we've been there before, and the fact there's nothing there each time (LOL!). Is it because it's closest, yet farther from the sun? Similar to our planet (though I don't see that) to the extent we might learn something from it (though the fact that it's farther away, yet so barren, is... interesting)?

Or maybe just a means for some boyz to play with high tech toys (LOL!)? J/K.

No, seriously, thanks for bringing this interesting topic to the forum!

Again, peace to you!

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 Post subject: Re: We've landed on Mars
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Cool.

Will be great if they make new discoveries.

I was confused for a moment too, because I thought that we had landed on mars already. But I guess that this is bigger, and can travel more terrain, explore more area?

I think because we've been to mars, it is probably a good place to test out how to land best, how we might improve landings on other planets without wasting the money getting there, and then crashing, and all the rest of things that entails.

'Course, I am a sci-fi girl (though this is real science), and so I am just excited anyway, lol.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:30 am 
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I know I know but........

For me I see a 2.6 billion curiosity that could have fed all the hungry children in the world.

We have enough of our own problems here we can't/ or don't want to fix!

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agreed, but better space exploration than a few days bombing another country in my opinion
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Curiosity will bring new instrumentation and experiments to bear on the study of Martian geologic history, and possible presence of life. This will not only help us understand Mars, but Earth's own history too.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:31 am 
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Personally I think a lot of the hoopla about Mars is not only about turning our attention away from world events but something rather insidious. What if scientists claimed they had discovered evidence of past life on Mars? Wouldn't that discredit the Bible in so many people's eyes when life is spoken of being put here but doesn't speak (to my knowledge) of being put anywhere else?
Evolutionists or certain Atheists could point and say "See the Bible is wrong, life exists in other places besides Earth and we are not the focul point of the Universe."
I did a quick Google search and found this little gem which just reinforces my pint.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schw ... 24746.html

I will point out a major flaw though in this column. The author uses the lower case "earth" as recorded in Genesis which in Hebrew would be Earth as in planet Earth = kadur ha'arets (כדור הארץ).
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_H ... _for_earth

However in Genesis 7:23 makes the distinction that although the flood came upon the Earth it wasn't all life on Earth that was extinguished but all the life upon the land.
earth as in land or territory = erets (ארץ)
I did a side by side comparison using Strong's Concordance to verify the word useage.
http://biblos.com/genesis/7-23.htm

The author goes on to state the erroneous assumptions of the Roman Catholic Church towards Galileo when it determined that the Earth (the planet) is the center of the Universe. The Bible never says this nor even implies it. Yet church leaders took it upon themselves to pronounce this as a fact but when proven wrong by Galileo didn't react very well. The author does the same thing but in the opposite fashion.

He then speaks about the creative days as if they were literal days rather than time periods. Since the ancients had no knowledge at the time of higher mathematics or even numbers over several thousands it would be reasonable to conclude that when Yahveh inspired Moses to write this account such numbers would have had little meaning to them so He used time periods with separations in those periods showing what was done in a specific order which lines up quite well with the fossil record and evolutionary theories.

It really annoys me to no end that people don't understand that the Bible is written using trasliterary devices, illustrations and allusions (the same way we relate to the world around us). If it had been written in a straight forward scientific manner, ancient humans couldn't have grasped it's message. I think of it as God the Parent's way of speaking to His children. We ourselves tell our children stories using imagery and allegory to get a point across. I know of no parent who would read their children an encyclopedia as a substitute for a proper children's bedtime story.
So it goes that Genesis is written as our first introduction to Yahveh in the same way we would teach our own children. As our spiritual maturity progresses our understanding and God's need to spoon feed us would decrease. Or so one would think.

1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."
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Greetings, dear Medewty... and the greatest of love and peace to you! Very interesting post. I would like to comment on a couple/few things, if I may? Thank you!

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However in Genesis 7:23 makes the distinction that although the flood came upon the Earth it wasn't all life on Earth that was extinguished but all the life upon the land.



This is SO true and I marvel that so many miss this! There was no need to destroy the life in the water because the spirits that were being sought for confinement weren't IN the water/life forms in the water. To the contrary, they avoided the water... because water confines spirit beings (hence, Legion into the swine... into the sea). Fire destroys them.

Since the ancients had no knowledge at the time of higher mathematics or even numbers over several thousands it would be reasonable to conclude that when Yahveh inspired Moses to write this account such numbers would have had little meaning to them so He used time periods with separations in those periods showing what was done in a specific order which lines up quite well with the fossil record and evolutionary theories.

Yes, but please consider that it was not Moses who was inspired to write the Genesis account, but Joseph. Moses came to know of the writings when he was raised in Pharaoh's house and took them with when he left and fled to the wilderness, where he studied them during the 40 or so years he was there (as a member of Pharaoh's household he, like Joseph, was educated). He then presented them to the people of Israel who attributed them to him, since they did not know Joseph but knew him (Joseph was some 400 or so years before Moses).

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It really annoys me to no end that people don't understand that the Bible is written using trasliterary devices, illustrations and allusions (the same way we relate to the world around us).



People understand what they want to understand, dear one. It's perfectly okay to do so (as to your comment) today, but not to recognize that everyone does it during their day. It's all physical people CAN do, is related to their surroundings in ways/manners that make sense to them based on what they understand at the time.

For example... dragons - LOL! They explained the appearance of spirit beings pretty well, back then. The Aztecs did, too, except there are no feathers. Wings, yes, so as to fly, but not feathered ones. (For those who might dispute, just what should we can a scaly... or reptilian... "man"... with wings?). Then you have the Chinese/Asian POV, then the medieval POV, then the modern animated POV... and well, there you go!

If it had been written in a straight forward scientific manner, ancient humans couldn't have grasped it's message.

Exactly. As the case is with things like JAH's "chariot"... or the angel in the bush (the bush wasn't burning - it was the "fieriness" of the seraph/serpent IN it that was described. As IF the bush was burning)... or what else Moses actually saw when he went up into the mountain.
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I think of it as God the Parent's way of speaking to His children. We ourselves tell our children stories using imagery and allegory to get a point across. I know of no parent who would read their children an encyclopedia as a substitute for a proper children's bedtime story.


Okaaayyy??? Do it all the time and no one takes issue with it. In fact, it's recommended. I just heard a psychologist on TV telling the commentator "how" parents should talk to their children about the tragedy in Aurora, CO. Nothing he said was the candid, open, truth. But because some consider themselves "all grown up", even with regard to the Most Holy One of Israel, they believe themselves ready and able to bear all that is true in this existence. Yet, they constantly show they are not.

And so, our Lord said, "I have MANY things to tell... but you are not able to bear them, yet." If there were still some things that men who saw the things recorded to have been seen by the apostles could not see, how is it that some of us today arrogantly think we could "bear" such things? LOLOL! Some can't even bring themselves to entertain the possibility of some of these things, even hearing, let along seeing... yet, challenge JAH to "bring it on!" The sad part is it will be brought on... and they won't be able to bear it.

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So it goes that Genesis is written as our first introduction to Yahveh in the same way we would teach our own children. As our spiritual maturity progresses our understanding and God's need to spoon feed us would decrease. Or so one would think.


Please forgive this correction (and I do it in a spirit of love and the desire for you and others who might be reading to have a accurate knowledge), but actually it was written for our FOREFATHER'S first introduction, the people of Israel who demonstrated a lack of faith and so had to walk by sight (Hebrews 1:1, 2). For US... our introduction to... and subsequent knowledge of... the Most Holy One of Israel, JahVeh... is via His Son, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). And no other. No other means... or other Way.

Indeed, we can read the Genesis... and any other written account... all day long... and we still won't see God CLEARLY. We will have what we have: confusion, disputes, disagreements, misunderstandings, presumptions, assumptions, speculations, etc. Like the blind men who tried to describe the elephant - LOL! If we look at CHRIST, however, the "Copper Seraph" held up for us... we truly can see God. Because he is the IMAGE of God, and the very representation of the One upon whom we CANNOT look directly. Yet.

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1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."



And one of those childish ways... is trying to see God through a book (or many books)... than through Christ, the One who is recorded in a book to have said:

"He that has seen me has seen the Father also." John 14:9

Look to the One raised up, dear one... and HE will guide you through the Genesis account, and all other accounts. HE will grant you eyes to see what took place, in the ark ("in the beginning"), during the creative "days", in the garden in Eden, and all that resulted from that. It is only through HIM... the Tree of Life, True Vine, Root of Jesse... Sprout!... and the eyesalve that HE grants (Revelation 3:18; John 9:1-41) and NOT eating from the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad" that our eyes can be TRULY opened so that become like God... in ALL respects: knowing both good AND bad... and yet, living!

I hope this helps and that any who are wishing are granted ears to hear when the Spirit and the Bride say to THEM:

"Come! Take 'life's water'... the holy spirit of God, which is His blood, breath, and seed for imparting LIFE... and is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... free!"

Again, peace to you!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

SA


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Personally I think a lot of the hoopla about Mars is not only about turning our attention away from world events but something rather insidious. What if scientists claimed they had discovered evidence of past life on Mars? Wouldn't that discredit the Bible in so many people's eyes when life is spoken of being put here but doesn't speak (to my knowledge) of being put anywhere else?
Evolutionists or certain Atheists could point and say "See the Bible is wrong, life exists in other places besides Earth and we are not the focul point of the Universe."
I did a quick Google search and found this little gem which just reinforces my pint.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schw ... 24746.html

I will point out a major flaw though in this column. The author uses the lower case "earth" as recorded in Genesis which in Hebrew would be Earth as in planet Earth = kadur ha'arets (כדור הארץ).
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_H ... _for_earth

However in Genesis 7:23 makes the distinction that although the flood came upon the Earth it wasn't all life on Earth that was extinguished but all the life upon the land.
earth as in land or territory = erets (ארץ)
I did a side by side comparison using Strong's Concordance to verify the word useage.
http://biblos.com/genesis/7-23.htm

The author goes on to state the erroneous assumptions of the Roman Catholic Church towards Galileo when it determined that the Earth (the planet) is the center of the Universe. The Bible never says this nor even implies it. Yet church leaders took it upon themselves to pronounce this as a fact but when proven wrong by Galileo didn't react very well. The author does the same thing but in the opposite fashion.

He then speaks about the creative days as if they were literal days rather than time periods. Since the ancients had no knowledge at the time of higher mathematics or even numbers over several thousands it would be reasonable to conclude that when Yahveh inspired Moses to write this account such numbers would have had little meaning to them so He used time periods with separations in those periods showing what was done in a specific order which lines up quite well with the fossil record and evolutionary theories.

It really annoys me to no end that people don't understand that the Bible is written using trasliterary devices, illustrations and allusions (the same way we relate to the world around us). If it had been written in a straight forward scientific manner, ancient humans couldn't have grasped it's message. I think of it as God the Parent's way of speaking to His children. We ourselves tell our children stories using imagery and allegory to get a point across. I know of no parent who would read their children an encyclopedia as a substitute for a proper children's bedtime story.
So it goes that Genesis is written as our first introduction to Yahveh in the same way we would teach our own children. As our spiritual maturity progresses our understanding and God's need to spoon feed us would decrease. Or so one would think.

1 Corinthians 13:11 "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."


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Scientists are unlikely to find life on Mars. Its inhabitants moved to our lush green planet disguised as humans during the latter part of the last century. They walk among us. You may have already suspected this.


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Its inhabitants moved to our lush green planet disguised as humans during the latter part of the last century.


Wait, I think you're mixing the Martians up with some LDS members, dear Glad (peace to you!). You know, the ones that moved from Utah... to, say, Arizona, Texas, or Colorado? Well, okay, to California (cuz Lord knows, parts of Arizona, Texas, Nevada, and Colorado are no better than parts of Utah - LOLOL!

I say this 'cause I've seen parts of Utah (near northern part of Grand Canyon) and it looks JUST LIKE Mars - LOLOLOL! Talk about your abandoned land: that whole Arizona, Nevada, Utah triangle area... and most of the back of Nevada... makes one understand the meaning of "godforsaken" - LOLOL!

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By the way, my thumbs up towards the previous comment is really directed towards the final paragraph, not the first one speaking of some sort of "insidious" Martian plan


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