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A you can see from the photo the man was an unarmed civilian.
WARNING DO NOT WATCH! A WOUNDED MAN IS BRUTALLY MURDERED IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA!
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DsBakqLUBWP0

The brutality of the Zionists is so big that they didn't spare the ambulances carrying the wounded during the temporary ceasefire:

This is a limited picture of what the situation really is.
Israel is the size of 3/4 of Vancouver Island, a tiny scrap
of land. The Arab Muslim nations hold huge amounts of land
all around this tiny State. There is:
Saudia Arabia has a land mass of:
2,149,690 km squared
830,000 mile square
Compare to:
Israel
20,330 square km
7,850 square miles
OR compare to land mass of :
United Arab Emirates
83,600 mi
32,300 sq miles

Jodan
88,802 sq km
34,072 square km

Syria
183,630 sq km
70,900 sq miles

Iraq
437,367 sqkm
168,868 sq miles

Egypt
995,450 square km
384,350 sq miles


Palestine Gaza Strip
5,640 sq km
2,180 sq miles
This land was given to Palestinian refugees
when all the above Arab countries refused to take them
in or allow them to immigrate into their countries even
though they have the land and could accommodate them.
Instead, they provide a constant supply of rockets and missles
which are fired DAILY into Israel non-stop for years.

If you were to compare the land mass given to Palestinians
by Israel, it would be comparable to the USA giving land the
size of Italy and Japan,in comparison to the total land of the
USA, to the First Nations in the USA ( the Indians they took it from)
because the land of the Gaza is 10% of the total land
owned by the legal State of Israel,which was established
by UN Charter in 1948
Palestine on the other hand has never done anything with their
land and expect Israel to supply them with utilities. Free.
Instead of building a nation, The Palestinian Authority
accepted billions in foreign aid and spent it on making a handful
of their own leaders millionaires , like Arafat whose wife lived in Paris
France on $100,000 a month, with all her family living in luxury
while Arafat went around begging for money in his famous red
checkered head scarf.

This is a tragic event!!Those poor Palestinians who are crammed into a small place with no place to go. Then to top it off they are ruled by terrorist who don't care about them.

Anomos why aren't you providing stories of what the Hamas are doing to the Israeli civilians. Its 2 sided. Why do you hate Israel and sympathize with the Hamas terrorist regime in Palestine.

This might be inaccurate, dear VG (peace to you!). You may have it backward, actually. Have you read the essay on this link, written by King Abdullah Hussein of JORDAN, in 1947? If not, please do so as it might shed a bit more light on the history of this conflict:

http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html



Which the U.S., England, France, and any other nation would do if were their lands taken by Israelis... as the Palestinians was... and they were left with a tiny portion... as the Palestinians are. Or should we think they should have just lain down over the decades and given it up... without ANY fight? What nation today would do that? Even the Native Americans didn't give up without a fight. Sadly, they were outnumbered... well, out-gunned... and massacred. Perhaps we think they should be just "happy" with what "we've" allowed them to maintain? Have you ever visited a reservation? If so, what do YOU think of the "conditions" on them?



And that was a GOOD thing??



Yes. And WHO "died" and left the UN in charge? Certainly not Christ. Even so, if they're SO "right"... why doesn't the U.S. listen to them TODAY? It certainly didn't as to Iraq...



And Americans/Canadians... most of ALL of whose ancestors immigrated from elsewhere, and some of who TOOK such land, by FORCE/MURDER... hold huge amounts of land all around today's "reservations." Yet, "we" don't seem to have a problem with so many of "US" around so few of "THEM." Nor do we allow THEM to have a problem with it... yes?

See, what most folks TODAY are doing is absolutely forgetting what CAUSED this matter in the FIRST place: the U.S. and Britain's unwillingness to take those Jews dispossessed of land in Russia, Poland, Germany, Austria, Belguim, etc.,... by NAZIS. The U.S. AND Britain (by means of their colonization of India, Australia, and various others lands) had WAY more places to "put" displaced Jews... BUT due to their alliance with the JEWISH Agency... sent them "back" to Palestine. And few Jews protested that, as they (still) believed those were lands given to THEM by GOD (even those who don't even BELIEVE in God believe this... which is a total... what... I don't even know!).

What these FORGET is (1) the land given them by GOD... was TAKEN... first by the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, and other sundry occupiers of those lands while Israel was in Egypt... THEN by the Assyrians, THEN by the Babylonians... who only returned JERUSALEM to them... THEN by the ROMANS... who took JERUSALEM... AFTER (2) they had SOLD a good deal of it to other nations for MONEY.

What they are TRYING to say/do NOW is that GOD is returning them/reestablishing them in their lands, using the 1948 "statehood" established by the UN as "proof" of that!

BUT, if God DID do that... how the continual war? Why hasn't He "delivered" Israel COMPLETELY into their hands?? They don't even own Jerusalem, but only part of it:



And THAT is what this is ALL about: Jerusalem. If the Israelis can CONFIDE the Palestinians, then ELIMINATE them, they can claim FULL possession of Jerusalem... and rebuild the temple (formerly) there. Right now, Muslims own the temple land, with the Jews holding the western wall:




ALL of this is about Israel's INSISTENCE on possessing ALL of Jerusalem, DESPITE the UN/world's position that they only have WEST Jerusalem with EAST Jerusalem belonging to the Palestinians... and the U.S. got itself even MORE involved (because they were instrumental in the establishment of the Israel state in the FIRST place to assuage their guilt for not taking MORE Jews after WWII)... when Congress passed the Jerusalem Act.

With the US' backing, the JEWS believe that have a RIGHT to ALL of Jerusalem... and have been insidiously trying to TAKE it, since the (unauthorized and globaly unaccepted) proclamation of the "Basic Law." When the Palestinians started fighting BACK... they were accused of fighting against "God's people." Of course, those who believe THAT forget/dismiss the Jews actions against christians way back when (which is easy to forget, given what "christians" have done since).

But you see, in order to understand what's TRULY going on... one has to go back through the HISTORY leading UP to it. Just going by what one sees/hears TODAY is insufficient. It paints only a part of the story and a poorly painted picture, at that. It is not ACCURATE... and in THESE instances, accuracy is (almost) everything.

Not to say either side is JUSTIFIED in that they are doing... but to have an opinion with way, without considering the FACTS, puts one in a poor position. As my dear Lord, the Congregator (Teacher who Gathers) said:

"He who answers a matter before he hears the facts—it is folly and shame to him." Proverbs 18:13

I was first acclimated to this conflict after the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, where Palestinian rebels took hostage and killed Israeli athletes. That event set the world on end... and so it was talked about EVERYWHERE. Rather than focus on what was happening as to MY culture (post-Civil Rights Movement), which GREATLY affected MY life, we focused on this event in school.

Over the years I'd let the matter go (what did it matter to ME?)... until I learned from my dear Lord "who" the "Palestinians" TRULY are: they, too, are Israel/the seed of Abraham. They are descended from the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel (vs. the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah... the Y'hudi/Jews)... and/or Ishmael. Hence, these people, ALL of them... are brothers, by blood.

And that is MOST important. Because brother... is not only delivering UP... but killing... brother. And that is something those who belong to Christ need to keep note of. Not to say it means anything NOW... but, well, one never knows. Y'know?

I hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Shelby - your last post was exactly what we needed to hear. The History of the problem. It paints an entirely different picture. I read that essay by King Abdullah before and now reading it again it answers all my questions. The problem is the Jews historically, what a mess.

Well spoken Shelby! Very informative post, right to the point! That's how I like to see you. Bravo!
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I am not taking the side of anyone. Hamas is in error too. Same **** like the Zionists. But the Zionists have in control all the media with their $$$ and spew their propaganda. This has to be stopped and people to be informed.

How many Israeli kids/civilians were killed?
How many Palestinian kids/civilians were killed?

I lived in Lebanon. My father taught at the American University of Beirut.
My father was a Jew. Not my mother. You must have a Jewish mother to be a Jew.
I was there in Jerusalem before the the 1967 war. I put my hand on the Wailing Wall
and tucked a prayer in the crevices of this last wall of Solomon's Temple.

The name Jerusalem , means City of Jehovah, City of God. Founded by King David.
An ancient heritage. Predating the Christians and certainly predating Mohammad
or the Nation of Islam. Mohammad was not even born until 600 years after Jesus Died
and was resurrected. The Catholic Church already had established Christianity as
the religion of the Holy Roman Empire , all of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa.

The Septuagint was translated 400 years before Mohammad was born. Mohammad read
the Bible as it had been well distributed and he was ( contrary to Muslim teachings) a rich,
literate merchant married to an older wealthy woman, at the time he decided he would replace
the Christ of the Bible, and use the characters in the Bible, like the Angel Gabriel, and Moses,
to establish himself as one man "governing body".

Mohammad was a man of violence. Proof: He got up an army and rode on Mecca and
slaughtered his own home town as his first act as "Prophet".
After Mohammad's death the Muslims ( then known as Muhammadans )
formed an army and took over every country in the known world.
It was know as Conversion by the Sword.

Muslims "occupied" Spain for 600 years. The great Caliphates were conquered by
the Turks in 1453 with the conquest of Constantinople and the establishment
of the Ottoman Empire which all the Middle East including Jerusalem and all of
Greece, Egypt, Tunis, Algiers, Belgrade, Budapest Baghdad and territories extending
to the Caspian Sea. Their "occupation" lasted hundreds of years and it included all
of Lebanon and all of Palestine. Their power was not broken until WW1.

After WW1 the so called Palestinian territories were owned by Egypt and Lebanon
and landowners that were all Arabs. Right up to WW11. The Jews worldwide had been
buying up land from the owners, Egyptians, Lebanese, Saudis. This was the Zionist movement.
They purchased the land. They did not "steal" it.

The land had renters, tenant farmers, who did not own the land.
There were also nomads and Bedouins. Bedouins and Jebel Druze.

After WW11 this scrap of desert, that had been completely ruined by tenant farmers who
turned it into desert by poor farming practices and grazing goats and never planting
trees or digging wells or irrigating. The Arabs had laid it to waste, as they have every single
country they inhabit. The Jews managed the land. irrigated it. Planted trees.

The fact that Arabs can live in Jerusalem, and be Israeli citizens, and sit in Israeli government
is a miracle. What Arab nation is safe for a Jew to go and live in ? Hamas and Hezbollah are both
destructive violent sects and terrorists who use civilians as human shields

The golden domed Mosque has no business sitting on the Temple Mound at all.
Again: Can you imagine a Jewish Synagogue in Mecca ?? How long sitting on
some Muslim Holy Site ? How long do you think the Muslims would let it stand??
Yet the jews, protect this Mosque, built in the second Fitna, or Islamic Civil War
as a power symbol by Umayyad Dynasty as a power move.

YES Jews donated money worldwide from the late
19th century to the early 20th century to buy back
the land of Israel as their homeland.
You have a problem with this ?

The Egyptians and Arabs willing sold them the land which they owned
and thought it was a joke since the land was desert and
only had a few renters and tenant farmers on it. And the Jews
offered them a place in Israel and many thousands stayed and
are there to this day in Israel.

Zionism is a movement to return to Jerusalem; and you
demonize this ? Why so anti-Semetic ?
Why the hatred of Jews ?
The Bible says God will never abandon them completely
he will come and gather them in and they are the apple of his eye,
that is what the Bible says. The so called Palestinians were never,
a State, there is no State of Palestine, there was never a State of Palestine.
This is not an occupation, it is a big "Show" created by wealthy Saudis and wealthy
Iranians who themselves will not lift one finger to organize these people
or allow them immigration into their own countries, no Arab nation wants
the Palestinians in their country. Are you blind ? Or you just believe Hamas
propaganda ?

Given what you've shared from your personal life, dear VA ( peace to you!), I can understand how close this topic might be to you. Unfortunately, though, you are in error again. The Bible doesn't say God will not abandon the JEWS... and this is MY "problem" with much of the "Jewish" position: He said He wouldn't abandon ISRAEL, of which the JEWS are only a PART. Two-twelths, actually.

Although many modern Jews believe and wish others to believe, based on the false teachings of THEIR scribes a d religious leaders/"scholars," Jews do NOT represent ALL of Israel. They are the descendants of only TWO of the 12 tribes: the TWO-tribe kingdom of JUDAH, which is made up of the descendants of Judah and Benjamin.

What, though, of the OTHER TEN tribes? For the most part those are your Palestinians, luv. Along with those who still today call themselves "Samaritans." Well, not quite: that one CALLED oneself a Jew, a Samaritan, or an Israelite doesn't make it so. After the destruction of the second temple the records as to bloodline were destroyed. So ANYONE could SAY they were a Jew, etc., after that time/when it became safe again to do so. The only does of proof... was circumcision. Get circumcised and... voila! You were a Jew/Israelite!

Of course:

1. Most Palestinians are Muslims. Given the choice between the religion of the Jews, which had become corrupt, the religion of "christians," which had become just as bad, if not worse, all that was left to these who had NO religion after being taken captive by ASSYRIA (long before the Jews were captured by Babylon), they simply turned to the one that SEED closest to Abraham;

2. Most consider the ten tribes to be lost. They are not. Because blood SPEAKS, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, knows EXACTLY where Abraham's blood is in the earth. Every single drop. And so NONE of Israel are lost to HIM.

So, the fact is.. (some of) ISRAEL has BEEN in that land for more than 1200 years now, a truth that is LOST on those who view Israel SOLELY as the Jews. Those that have been there, however, turned following MUHAMMED... versus the "prophet" MOSES told to follow and listen to: the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH ( MischaJah).

Is the Mosque that is currently on the temple mount "the disgusting thing standing in a holy place"? Some say it is. No non-christian Jew could ever say so, though. Because it was Christ... whom such ones STILL have not blessed... WITH THEIR MOUTHS... who told of that very occurrence.

If they are saying it IS... then they MUST acknowledge the very One who spoke the warning OF it. Not only that, but (1) acknowledge that HE said it, so that (2) what HE said IS true, and so (3) everything ELSE he said is true TOO. INCLUDING that Jerusalem would be ABANDONED... TO them...UNTIL they blessed HIM.

And they haven't done that... yet.

In the meantime, though, they want to have their cake, AND their brothers' cake... and eat ALL of it, too! But that doesn't appear to be working out so well for them.

I am curious: have/did you read the letter written by King Abdullah Hussein of Jordan? Written BEFORE the UN gave Israel a statehood? If so, might you share your thoughts? If not, please consider reading that?

Also, can you tell me, please, how people's purchasing land in ONE part of a country unilaterally entitles them to land they DIDN'T purchase? And how forcing the people who own that land (which was also given to THEIR forefathers by God) is NOT theft.

Finally, may I assume you do know that it was AFTER David that the Jews and other Israelites split, so that UNDER David these two groups were ONE?

Again, I can see why this might be a sensitive subject for you and I apologize if any of my comments offended or perhaps "hit too close to home" (NO pun intended).

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Here's another POV, dear VA ( peace to you!), just be fair:

http://www.everlastinglifeministries.co ... ercer1.asp

Gaping holes in this person's argument, though. One in particular, that the arabs/Palestinians let the land go to waste is EXACTLY the argument used by European settlers to take the Americas away from the Natives. The latter, however, viewed the land too SACRED to "belong" to ANYONE.

If the author's position is right, though, then ALL land should be returned to its original owner... or the descendants of that.

Just thought I'd share that.

Agsin, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

But Palestine was a land, and a land with a people. A people living there for generations upon generations. Palestine is mentioned even by zionists when they were appealing to the British to help/allow them to create a homeland for themselves IN Palestine. The British mandate was of Palestine. Even if it was pronounced differently by the people living there, like with a soft 'ph' instead of a hard 'p' for instance, the people living in that land were OF that land.

Palestine was not "a land without a people, for a people without a land"... as the slogan went to encourage Jews to migrate to Palestine.


And even if the British did promise that land to the Jews (although they double dealt here, by also promising it to the Palestinians - while also dividing various portions of the middle east between themselves and France)... what right did they have to do that? They were a mandate of the land, held in trust for the people OF the land, until those people could rule on their own. The majority of the people in Palestine were arabs (muslim, and some christian), and also a minority of Jews. That is entirely reverse now, exactly what the people had feared and fought against from the start.


(side issue: What was ironic to me when I first started learning about this conflict is that one reason Israel will not allow the refugees their right of return is because that would prove to be the undoing of Israel, as it would not longer have a Jewish majority, but rather a Palestinian one. This is the same reason the Palestinians (by whatever pronunciation of that name they called themselves) did not want the Jews migrating in such great numbers to their land.)





That they would have to allow them immigration into their own countries speaks to the fact that the Palestinians are/were not citizens of those countries to begin with, does it not?



I do not think disagreeing with the manner in which something has been done is demonizing it.

If you do not make peace with the people OF the land that you intend to move into (and eventually claim for yourself)... well, how can anyone be surprised that this is the result, and that some people are going to see and point it out?

I personally would be happy to see the Jews living in a safe land, together as they choose... just not at the expense of another people who had done them no wrong.

(But they are not just returning to Jerusalem... or even just to the land given to Judah)




What is anti-Semetic? Why do you see hatred of Jews in this? What do you think about Jews, including Israeli Jews, who have the same thoughts, and who stage protests against their government for its policies, its occupation, and treatment of Palestinians?

That is not anti-Semitism or hatred of Jews, is it?



I am asking for your thoughts (if you wish to give them), not throwing questions at you in any kind of judgment. Please forgive me if I am coming across as being 'hard' or offensive. I do not mean to be either (and I am not sure that I am being either, but it is very late, and I could miss what is coming across in 'tone' to someone else)


Peace to you,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Over the past year or two dear tec and I have had reason to GREATLY research this issue, dear VA ( mornin and peace/shalom to you, both!). In doing so, we are not "against/anti" ANYONE. Our goal is truth. And so we couldn't just go on today's conflicts and the propaganda from ANY side.

We realize that there are MANY factions to "blame" here, starting perhaps with the National persecution OF Jews during the past century. The US and Britain's attempts to "fix" the devastation of that travesty may have been well - intended but it certainly led to this ongoing conflict, as seen by King Hussein's letter (have you noticed Jordan isn't as involved, although Jerusalem belonged to IT when all of this started? Why do you think that is?).

But what many may be overlooking (and what I noticed you didn't mention) is that the SAME God that APPOINTED David, who ESTABLISHED Jerusalem (which HE took by force from the Jebusites, I'm sure you know)... TOLD Israel... and particularly the Yehudi (Jews)... that it would be taken from them until HE returned it to them. In which case, THEY wouldn't have to fight or TAKE it. Or buy it (back).

Unfortunately, as has been typical of Israel, both Yehudi and "Samaritan", they pick and choose which things from Him they listen to, believe, and accept... and which they don't. OR they deny the existence of the very God who CHOOSE David, whom they DON'T deny. If that God did/does NOT exist... then David really was nothing more than a warrior... and murderer... king. And so the Jews should be no more entitled to sympathy or empathy from the world as the Palestinians have a GREAT right to the land by reason of FIRST occupation. And the world had NO right to GIVE them ANYTHING. The world DID, however, based on their belief in the "GOD-given rights" of the Jews.

They can't have it both ways, though. Either Jerusalem IS their's... by GOD-given right... in which case they should LISTEN to HIM and wait on HIM to restore it to them... and them to IT... or it's not... in which case the Palestinians have just as much if not MORE right to it... excluding those parts Jews (RE)purchased... by reason of first occupation.

This is the truth, dear one, and what's RIGHT, at least by MAN'S law. By GOD'S law... BOTH sides should let themselves be WRONG, concede to the OTHER, and live in PEACE. Both could DO that if they followed the example of ABRAHAM, who they BOTH claim as forefather:

"Now Lot, who was moving about with Abram, also had flocks and herds and tents. But the land could not support them while they stayed together, for their possessions were so great that they were not able to stay together. And quarreling arose between Abram’s herders and Lot’s. The Canaanites and Perizzites were also living in the land at that time./b]

"So Abram said to Lot, [b]“Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herders and mine, for we are close relatives. Is not the whole land before you? Let’s part company. If you go to the left, I’ll go to the right; if you go to the right, I’ll go to the left.”

"Lot looked around and saw that the whole plain of the Jordan toward Zoarwas well watered, like the garden of theLord, like the land of Egypt. (This was before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.) So Lot chose for himself the whole plain of the Jordan and set out toward the east. The two men parted company: Abram lived in the land of Canaan, while Lot lived among the cities of the plain and pitched his tents near Sodom."

Perhaps if these would DO as they SAY they do... and show the BROTHERLY love they OWE... toward EACH other... as their forefathers did... because they ARE brothers, too... BOTH of their troubles would end. They can't do that... yet... though, because neither will turn to the One SENT to show THEM... Israel... both the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah AND the 10 tribe kingdom of Israel... HOW [to show such love... toward ONE ANOTHER].

Please, before taking sides merely on the basis of YOUR blood and heritage... look further into these matters? Because again many have forgotten the VERY long history that has led up TO this CURRENT conflict.

I hope this helps, truly!

Peace (shalom) to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Ooops! We 've got a little Jewish girl here that was brought up eating Zionist propaganda!

Jerusalem founded by David?

When? Before the Exodus from Egypt or before the Deluge?

This crap is what is taught as History in the Zionist schools?
Please be kind to yourself and study some proper History:



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Buying a piece of land doesn't imply that you can immediately claim that piece of land to be a sovereign state.
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I have nothing against by Jewish brothers. But my Jewish brother who is a Zionist and has turned against me and my country I hate!

I saw this article today, definitely is an eye opener. I had no idea that Isreal pretty well took over what doesn't belong to them.
Not sure how much of this is biased in the article?

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/realstory.html#.U9EitPGV6aA.facebook

NOW you're starting to get the picture, dear Zoe (peace to you, luv!). Would that many others would just take a moment and RESEARCH the history... if they aren't old enough to remember (some of) it.

Thank you for that... and again, peace to you!

Dear ANOMOS... peace to you... and your comment was unnecessary, childish, and, IMHO, out of line. Please try to remain civil during these discussions? I realize that these matters hit close to home with you, as well, but let's try and keep the discussions a bit more IMpersonal, shall we? I could be wrong but, frankly, I think your last one warrants an apology.

You are correct, though, that David did not found Jerusalem; again, Jerusalem existed... for millenia... before David took it from the Jebusites. It is where Melchizedek, the king OF Salem, was from... and was part of the Egyptian empire when Abraham relocated from the east (Babylon) to Canaan (lands which, at the time, were part of the Egyptian empire).

At that time, the Egyptians served the SAME God as Abraham, JAHVeH. That is why "Pharaoh" took issue when he found out Sarah was Abraham's wife ("Why didn't you TELL me she was your WIFE, not your SISTER?!"). It is why Joseph's gift (of the spirit) was recognized by "Pharaoh" of HIS time ("Is there any other man in the land who has the spirit of GOD upon him?!"). And it is why the daughter of "Pharaoh" at the time Moses was an infant, had not qualms about taking him, got a Hebrew woman to nurse him (Hebrews weren't the only women to nurse babies), and her father had no qualms ABOUT her taking him in. It is why the "Pharaoh" of Moses' later days was not excused for REFUSING to acknowledge JaHVeH ("Who is 'JaHVeH'?! I do not know JaHVeH!"). He was a liar; he absolutely did know JaHVeH. Not just know OF him (by means of the Hebrews in the land at the time) but knew of His existence and Egyptian worship of Him. It is why Joseph... and then Israel... was SENT... to EGYPT... versus somewhere else: because their God was already known there and worship would not be hindered. It was not until such worship WAS hindered that JAH called for Israel to be brought OUT. It's why Egyptian hierglyphics include depictions of "alien" beings. It is why Egypt contained the vast knowledge it DID... as to how (and why) to build pyramids (altars). It is why Egyptians believed in resurrection (the aristocracy didn't have vast treasures, etc., put in tombs because they though they were going to take them "with" them to some other place, but so such would be there when they WOKE UP... from death). It is why the entrails were removed and put in SPECIAL jars... because they knew the "heart and kidneys" were what God "examined" and so were more important than the vessel/outer body... yet, they wanted to return to the SAME body, and so had that preserved. It is why they also had their beloved pets buried WITH them... so such would be there WHEN they [woke up from death].

All the same as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob... Israel... David, etc., believed. It's just that the Hebrews expected a NEW, fresh, young body... because they viewed the flesh as "of NO use at all." As Christ SAID.

It was with the "Pharaoh" of Moses' latter days, who DENIED JaHVeH, that they worship of FALSE Gods... and PHARAOH as God... began. Prior to that, the "problem" with Hebrews was NOT their God... but their NUMBERS. Which were used to [negatively] influence the Pharaoh of Moses' infant days... to treat the Hebrews harshly. Before that, they enjoyed freedom and prosperity in the land of Goshen.

The history of Jerusalem far predates the history of David.

Peace to you ALL!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar