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Isn't this collateral damage? They didn't purposely kill them. The Hamas do the same don't they?

War is horrible but demonizing Isreal doesn't make the other side Angels.

Or am I missing something

Everybody's killing everybody... all over the world, these days, dear Zoe (peace to you, dear lady!). Apparently, thinking it was (another, after the previous 2 this week) Ukraine military plane, separatist Russians shot down a Malaysian commercial airplane... on its way from the Netherlands to Malaysia... killing 290 people. Oops.

I wonder if those folks know what happened to that other Malaysian airline that "disappeared" a couple months ago...

Peace... as Christ gives it... and praise JAH he does!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

So this is collateral damage?

(edited to add: admin removed the graphic in order to be able to sound a warning for our members that the picture is very graphic of a dead palestinian child on the beach. If you do not want to/cannot see that, please do not click the link. Very graphic and disturbing.)


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Do you simply speak about it as collateral damage?
Aren't you moved for the poor little child that lost his life? His mother? His father?
Reap the results of your nice Capitalist society and be happy.

Man calls it collateral damage, Anomos. That doesn't make it any less horrific, I agree with you 100% on that. But it has been around a lot longer than capitalism.

And yes, Zoe... or at least Hamas would do the same if their missiles could inflict the same damage as the IDF (israeli defense force). Then there would also be dead Israeli children.

All of those innocent children dying, you would think that at some point they would all get tired of the fighting and the hating, and work to securing a peaceful future for their children instead of one that they are going to have to continue to be afraid in, or continue to hate in. Man cannot seem to figure out that force is not the best way to promote and achieve peace... and forgiveness... for themselves and their children. Maybe in a short term, sometimes... but long term?

Thank God for Christ... and His Kingdom, and His peace. For us and for our children.


Peace to you both,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Anomos!! I think that it is HORRIBLE that these poor children were killed!!!

I can see that my comment seemed to trivialize their deaths and I am sorry for that, I didn't mean it that way.

All I was saying is that the other side is killing children on PURPOSE, the Israelis didn't do this on purpose.

This is also just Horrible!! Shocking!

It's hard to believe that with all this mess in the world going on all at once we aren't in a full blown world war. It's really getting scary. I can't imagine how much scarier it must be for the people in Ukraine, Russia, Gaza and Isreal.

As far as the conflict in the Gaza, this is just a horrible thing. Both sides are so stubborn and hateful to each other.

I feel especially sorry for the civilians stuck in the Gaza Strip. They have no where to go and hide from it. There is 1.8 million people jammed into that little area and the UN can only shelter about 22,000. So even though the Israeli's are giving them advanced warning of missile strikes they can't escape. The UN wants Israel to contain their strikes to the rebels but how?

War is so selfish and barbaric.

There has been war among man... since Cain slew Abel, dear ones (peace to you, all!). Nothing new under the sun. Not meaning to trivialize, but just to share truth. War, sickness, disease... death. Excluding, perhaps, (very) old age... it doesn't matter HOW one's loved one(s) die... does it? They are still dead and the grief is still horrific. But... it is the "human" condition. Man dominating man... to his OWN (and his childrens') injury. And always justifying it, somehow.

It's not scary to me, dear Zoe (peace, luv!)... because there has been (some kind of) war since I came into this world. Nothing (for me) has equaled Vietnam... yet. My father did 4 tours... and lost a lot of friends (and so, I had friends that lost fathers). I couldn't fathom it as a child; as an adult, though, I have come to "see" how JAH and Christ "see" mankind: self-serving, selfish, have no NATURAL affection, etc. Willing to consider others' lives, even that of children, AS collateral damage.

Used to be that the men went out to some remote field and hashed it out. Okay, after one set probably marauded the village of the others, taking/raping/killing women and children. But they usually met on some open field away from women and children. Science changed all that, though. Now, with airplanes and missiles, folks don't even have to be anywhere NEAR their opponent. A man doesn't have to even be able to fight hand-to-hand (and risk getting his ass kicked); no, he can be miles away... and take out a whole village.

That is US, dear ones: MAN. Animals don't do this - WE do.

And so, if we SHOULD be scared, it's not just when men USES these war tactics and kill innocents - it's that he has even THOUGHT of them in the first place.

I realize that these things seem more heinous because of the numbers of folks killed. But I think the mother whose child was killed by a stray bullet due to a drive-by, police shoot out... or psycho kid taking out his angst on his schoolmates... the "pain" is the same.

If we're gonna be scared, it shouldn't just be when a plane is shot down or a bomb is dropped. It's ANY time a life is taken... outside of hand-to-HAND combat (in which case, both parties know... and assume... the risk).

Earthling man. Go even TRY to figure... and when you do... come back and let the rest of us in on it.

Peace... the way CHRIST gives it... because man really isn't capable of doing so, at least, not long term.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

This is how I thought it was with Isreal, they are defending themselves ... Not starting the problem. But I guess it's all in where you are as to what story you believe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

Unfortunately, we not only forget the history of 9-10 years ago... but 20-50... 1200... 2000... years ago, dear Zoe (peace to you!). As you can see by the comments in article you linked... opinions and positions run rampant. One commentary seemed most accurate:



I about spit my lemonade out when I read this. I mean... AMEN AND AMEN! I KNEW there were some folks out there who TRULY understood the result of INSTITUTIONALIZED and SYSTEMATIC erosion of a people's past, heritage... and self-esteem. Something folks "over here" think can be undone in 1-2 generations (although it took close to 10 times that time to inculcate it!).

Some like to compare these things to Israel's "recovery" after slavery in Egypt ("the Jews were slaves and THEY pulled themselves back up!"). Ummmm... one, it wasn't JUST the Jews... but also the OTHER 10 tribes... who the Jews came to look down on. Two, no, they didn't - JAH pulled them up... and not just once. 'Cause they fell... again... and again... and again. Even so, where they have "gotten themselves" NOW... well, let's say just before WWII... took, what, close to 2,000 years after their last major defeat (70CE)... and close to 4,000 after released from Egypt (which THEY cannot take credit for... and still claim MOSES... because, remember, he led them out... with JAH's help!)?

I often marvel at how people forget/have NO memory of history, the REAL "what's really going on here" stuff. They just wake up each day and go, "Oh, HERE'S what's going on!" based on occurrences within the past 24 hours. As if the past week, month, year... 10... 20... 100... 1,000... 2,000... 4,000 years... just never took place. I just don't get that.

Peace... along with knowledge... the way Christ gives both!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

EXCELLENT summary, agreed.

Don't really want to add anything, so I'm not going to. But yes. That was very well said.



Peace to you both,
your sister, and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

OK the picture was graphic. I intentionally posted it and not used a link to teach a lesson. Thanks to admin for linking it. We do not need to see it anymore, as it served its purpose. At least I hope it did from the replies posted.
War is bad. And both sides there have fault. But the propaganda of Zionist's is to laugh at. Now that the Palestinians are getting stronger and stronger (military, with drones and rockets hitting Tel-Aviv) they were accusing them for not accepting the peace treaty. If they want to blame anyone then let them blame YHWH. Because it was him that allowed the Romans to destroy their 'holy city' and ruin their country and give it to the Palestinians due to their wickedness. But they returned and snatched that land from the Palestinians with war, stealing land and properties. What do they expect? The Palestinians to love them for destroying them?
war is bad.

What are you personally doing to avert war?

OH MY!!! Is this the way it is in Palestine. If so no wonder they are rebelling. Where can I find a unbiased story of what this conflict is REALLY about right now?

I haven't looked through this yet; I just found it and am going to look through it. But it is all about life in Gaza.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-20415675


Peace!