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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:20 pm 
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This little girl (age ~4) was found among a gypsy family after a raid of the police of Farsala. Probably she has been kidnapped at an earlier age. If anyone has info about her real family please immediately call the police.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:27 am 
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I saw this on the news this morning. I don't think we in North America would have info on her since this is in Greece.
She looks Scandinavian, German or British. I wonder why no one has reported a child missing? Strange and very sad.


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I wonder why no one has reported a child missing? Strange...


Does raise some interesting questions, doesn't it, dear Zoe (mornin' and peace to you!)? Several, IMHO, including why the assumption she was kidnapped if no one reported her missing. Although, I'm not sure countries communicate this kind of thing internationally. I mean, if a child came up missing HERE (in the US)... his/her pic might appear on a milk carton HERE (then again, I'm not sure they do that anymore - haven't seen that in awhile, now that I think of it)... but does it show up in, say, France? If not, though, wouldn't the authorities send this info out to the authorities in other countries?? Which COULD mean they did... and got no response... hence, the Internet "plea."

Another question: is it POSSIBLE that she wasn't kidnapped at all, but merely the child of, say, a brief tryst WITH a Scandanavian? Although, I'm not sure her blonde hair IS "scandanavian", as many Anglos and others (even Jews) have VERY blonde hair at this age, which darkens as they grow older. My stepson, who is half Mexican/half Anglo did... as does his son (whose father AND mother, who is Italian) both have DARK hair (now/naturally).

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That no one has a CLUE who this child REALLY is... IS sad. And, if it turns out she wasn't kidnapped... but maybe SOLD (and I don't mean by human traffickers, but by PARENTS, because, sadly, THAT happens, too!)... then it's also pathetic.

I hope someone figures out who she is... pretty quickly... and that she gets a "happy ending" (i.e., identification of and happy reunion with her true parent(s)... even if it's a Roma (aka "gypsy" to some)).

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:36 pm 
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Bad news: A relative of the family the girl was staying with (remains anonymous for obvious reasons), stated that she was given (SOLD?) to the family by a Bulgarian woman and provided details of her residence. The worst is that he stated that they have already sold 10 other children (not their own of course). The case is big as you can understand and more will appear in the future. A couple of uneducated Roma cannot do this alone. It must be an international gang.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:12 am 
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I've been following this.

Zoe, appallingly, it isn't the case that no-one has reported a child missing. Hundreds of children are reported missing every year, not least Madeleine McCann, who of course would be about ten by now. It is the case that no-one knows at all who she is. And of course she's too young to be able to help.

Shelby, photos on milk cartons in the USA would not be shown in Europe, for many reasons. In Britain, for instance, our milk doesn't come in cartons. We have plastic bottle-like containers with handles and screw-top lids. I think details of missing children are shared internationally by the police and by relevant organisations and charities. They only reach public awareness if for some reason the case makes headlines beyond a local area. There are occasional posters about a case that get put up in public places, or a case might be featured in a TV programme, but I think numbers of missing people and children are actually higher than one would think.

The BBC news is highlighting this little girl and what they're saying this morning is that the problem lies with birth registrations in Greece and some Eastern European countries. What is the reality, Anomos? In this country all births have to be registered within a set number of days after birth.

The couple and locals are insisting that she is theirs by adoption, and exhibit distress that she has been taken from them. How can ordinary people tell the real situation?

The saddest thing is that to the little girl, she has lost the home and parents and siblings she knows. We don't even know what age she was when she started living with them.

Of one thing I'm sure. Roma people have a bad name but may not always deserve it, and they should have the same rights as everyone else.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:17 am 
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What are Roma people? Gypsies?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:18 am 
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Disregard my last post, I see now that Roma people are gypsies lol

Latest update on this little girl.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/blond-angel-in-roma-child-trafficking-case-may-be-6-1.2128555


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The news this morning reports that "thousands from all over the world" are calling in and claiming her (mornin' and peace to you, all!). I watched the BBC last evening and the authorities are not SURE the family she lived with abducted her. They consider the case unusual because, apparently, the Roma usually sell THEIR children, not keep others (and not keep those they've abducted). A family spokesman (uncle) seemed quite distraught and said the family was distraught, that "Maria" was greatly loved and part of their family, that they got much needed medical care for her, etc.

I hope they get to the bottom of it, soon, for the child's sake. I mean, at least she needs to know "who" she really is, even if that turns out to be "adopted."

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Zoe, Roma are also known as Romanies or gypsies. They are an ethnic minority, basically nomadic in lifestyle in a way that doesn't suit the international borders of the modern world. They're often persecuted and therefore often very defensive.


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also known as Romanies


Thanks for that, dear Char (peace!)... because it gives me a chance to clarify an error I once thought: that by "Romanies" they are "Romanian." Which is NOT the case. RomaNIANS... are from RomaNIA, a country in eastern Europe. The "Roma" are a subgroup of the "RomaNI"... or gypsies... and while they are probably the second largest ethnic group in many European countries, their ORIGIN and ancestry is that of the Jatt clans of Northern India and Pakistan!

Just a little bit of demographic trivia (gleaned from one of those Discovery or History Channel programs).

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:14 pm 
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The girl was not sold as she was a 'bad product'. She has a problem with her eyesight.

If you fail to register a birth within 10 days you have to pay a big fine. 2 witnesses of the birth have to sign too. The problem is with births at home. There is no doctor to sign as a witness to the birth and so it is easy to sell a newborn child to a family without children and 2 members of a gang to sign that they were present. Pregnant women from Eastern Europe travel to Western Europe and give birth and sell their children to families without children. Births take place at home or small medical facilities of corrupt MDs.


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That's very interesting, thanks, Anomos.


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So you're saying the birth parent(s) "rejected" her, dear ANOMOS (mornin' and peace to you!)... and gave her away? Not that such surprises me. We ARE a species that seeks [physical] perfection almost more than anything else...

Sad, though, if that's the case, 'cause all of the media hype will now make THAT known to her. As if she needed to know that.

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An interesting article on the Romani/gypsies... and the kidnapping of white children (peace to you, all!):

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She is, we have been told repeatedly, the girl Greece is calling "the blonde angel". She is certainly blonde – and she is a young child who deserves concern as all children do, particularly those facing poverty or discrimination. Whether or not she is angelic is a matter of stereotype rather than personality. She is angelic in the eyes of the media only in stark contrast to the circumstances in which she was found: in a Roma camp in Greece, with dark-skinned parents who, DNA tests have revealed, cannot be her birth parents. The pair appeared in court on Monday charged with child abduction, but are said by their lawyer to be distraught at the forcible removal of a child they were raising as their daughter.

Whatever the truth of Maria's origins, one element of this case is not in doubt. Even before charges were brought, it was widely reported as a case of abduction. The pursuit of Gerry and Kate McCann and the mother of Ben Needham for reaction will have cemented that impression in the eyes of many; they have been "given hope", apparently. Maria's case may even, it seems, have prompted the seizure by police in Dublin today of another child from a Roma community after members of the public raised concerns that the child may not be biologically related to the couple she was living with.

Informal adoption is commonplace, particularly in societies where children are raised collectively by extended family units, and families of eight or 10 are not unusual. Across the world, children in economically difficult circumstances are left with grandparents, aunts and uncles, or sometimes given away because the birth parents cannot provide for them. This is hardly a practice unique to Roma society, and it is a long way from deliberate abduction for the purposes of "child trafficking", an assumption that the non-Roma world has been happy to make with impunity.

This media reporting has to be seen within the context of a blood libel that has dogged Roma communities for centuries. The claim that Jewish people killed Christian children to have human blood for matzos at Passover was used to justify antisemitism throughout the middle ages; in the same way, the age-old myth that Romanies are in the habit of kidnapping white children entered popular folklore around the same time, and has persisted to the present day.

Fictional stereotypes of Romany women revolve around their supposed sexual licentiousness – Carmen or Esmeralda – or their psychic powers; whereas Romany men have been portrayed at best as symbols of wild freedom, as in DH Lawrence's The Virgin and the Gypsy or at worst, as liars and thieves. The passionate love for children patently demonstrated in Roma communities of all types rarely seem to get a mention, strangely enough. But as the Slovakian Roma writer Ilona Lackova said in her autobiography, A False Dawn, "we cannot understand how you would not give a child a smile even if it is not yours". If a youngster falls over and hurts him or herself in a Roma camp, it's the business of any adult or older child nearby to provide comfort. The head of the Greek charity that has custody of Maria reported that she was "dirty" and "terrified": that she may have been dirty because of the appalling conditions in which many Roma are forced to live by poverty and terrified at being removed from her family was not noted.

The racist reporting of the Greek case is all the more bitter to those familiar with Roma history. Renowned expert Prof Thomas Acton says, "I know of no documented case of Roma/Gypsies/Travellers stealing non-Gypsy children anywhere." Far from Romanies abducting white children, the truth has been the other way around. Hundreds of Yenish Roma boys and girls were forcibly taken by the authorities in Switzerland from 1926 to 1972. The children were placed in orphanages or homes for people with learning difficulties and their families denied all contact with them.

Criminal gangs that exploit children exist in every society – particularly poor ones – but the persistent linking of child abduction with Roma ethnicity per se is nothing more than the perpetuation of a racist medieval myth. We don't yet know the truth of the adoption of Maria by the community in which she was found, and this myth should be consigned to the historical dustbin."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... l-replayed


Propaganda. Horrid stuff, all around.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:23 pm 
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Only in one Greek hospital, around 50 Bulgarian (mostly Roma) women/year give birth with fake IDs and just disappear immediately (as soon as tha can stand and walk) after the birth with the newborn. No need to say why they came to give birth to Greece. Prices in Euros (from Bulgaria):
Girl: 7500
Boy: 15000
Blond Boy: 25000 - 30000
10 years old virgin girls: 1000 - 2000

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Ireland's Maria?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/could-this-be-irelands-maria-police-seize-young-blondehaired-blueeyed-girl-from-roma-family-in-dublin-suburb-8896935.html


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