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Okay ladies please keep it in your pants

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Easy for us to do, pup. God made us a little neater than you.

Aww, shoot, dear Pup (peace to you!): I thought we (ladies) weren't interested in SCIENCE "measuring." Since BRAIN size was brought up, though...

Okay, I'll "zip" it. For now.

Peace, luv!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Oh my... I did not even realize that comment was directed at me. I was skimming and assumed someone must have made a comment about women not being interested in science, and figured Char gave them a good set-down, lol. My comment was tongue-in-cheek... and in response to Paul and Pup's "science" (as in "male anatomy") measuring contest... that they would be more interested in discussing, than we ladies ; )

Although Pup's 'keep it in your pants ladies' follow-up, just adds to my giggling over here. (yes, I have a teenage boy's sense of humor going on at the moment)

Sorry for the confusion.

Peace to all... and please carry on with the actual science discussion!!!

tammy

You can try to create nothing yourself a pure vacuum is nothing. Surrounding the vacuum(in our world) is air.

It's possible to have something enter this vacuum without piercing the outer boundaries via quantum tunneling.

Our universe can be considered as that vacuum and the "something" that surrounds our universe can be considered as being on a different dimension or plane. So a vacuum of nothing with no boundaries.
The Big Bang can be considered as that super concentrated mass or energy quantum tunneling into our plane of existence.

I feel that you are going to tie in religion to this are you ready to tie it in or do you need some more theories about this "nothing" and how it can expand without being something?

As for the water and ink analogy. The dispersed ink will never coalesce again into that initial drop due to "recoil" even with the enclosed outer shell notion, the waves which bounce back will hit the waves moving out and be again bounced forward. Soon the ink will be evenly dispersed.

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My fault, actually, as it turns out, Tammy. I just totally failed to get what your comment was actually about, and must have speed-read it and thought you were really saying women didn't like science! Hence my post above!

Oops! Sorry!

So, if I understand you correctly, dear Pup (peace to you!)... OUTSIDE the vacuum (in our world)... is air? There IS "something" outside of the "nothing"... in OUR world?



For instance, the "air," yes, as the "something" that entered? Though I am not sure how something can "enter" unless it was "outside" first; however, quantum tunneling does explain how something can go THROUGH another thing, without actually piercing it. But such "going through" would have to have a limit, yes? Meaning, something pushing through, say, the center (like one's tongue through a piece of chewed gum) but not actually BREAKING into/through?

Okay. If that's the case then "space" is warping, yes? I can "see" that...



Wait, you lost me: our universe is the "vacuum"... not the "air/ink" that "leaked/diluted" INTO... or "pushing through" the vacuum? If that's correct, what is the "air/ink"?



Yes, I think I "see" what you mean: our "plane of existence" being... for lack of a better term, "space"... and our universe is pushing INTO it... without actually puncturing [through] it?



Ummmmm... I didn't create the thread, dear one. I am just trying to discuss the topic. Even so, I am not sure I would tie "religion" to this (although you might consider what I MIGHT tie in as "religious" - but it would not be, truly). I can tell you that the "vacuum" part is accurate, but that space is the vacuum and our universe the "air"... because I was taken so as to be in the vacuum, before the physical universe came into it. What I saw WAS the universe come in... and expand, but because the event we call the "big bang" actually punctured the vacuum. The "ink" did not dilute, however; rather, the "light" (energy) that came through brought the "universe" with it. In its "wake".

I posted about that on another site... and what I heard that preceded the "event" (something to the effect of "Let the light come to be", however not in words, per se, but in "math", although not really math but an "equation"... a "language" that far, far exceeded anything WE understand as math/physics). I realize that you (and some others) might consider this to be "religious" in nature, but I assured it, it is/was not. "Spiritual," yes... but not religious... and no, they really are NOT the "same" thing. I also realize that you may have been taught/thought they are... and consider them such, but they're not, truly.



I understand. Here's what boggles me about that particular analogy: I must assume, first, that the "water" is the vacuum, yes, that the "ink" (universe) is dispersing INTO... yes? If, though, the water is a VACUUM... HOW can the "ink" move FORWARD so as TO disperse? The ink would have to be heavier than the water it is moving THROUGH, yes? In order to PUSH into the water (or move the water)? Alternatively, if the ink is LIGHTER... then it would DISSOLVE in the water... yes? So, perhaps "oil" would be a better analogy, as that could disperse into the water, yet keep its separateness.

So, okay, let's say it IS "oil" that has leaked in. And the "leak" commenced with such great force that it PUSHED the "water". Would not the water be in FRONT of the oil (mass), whatever direction the mass takes... not interdispersed in IT?

I mean, if the vacuum is a TRUE vacuum... say a thick "fabric" (and I don't disagree that it is)... then the oil would push AGAINST that fabric, yes... and the fabric would not be, say, interspersed between the individual "drops" - rather, the "fabric would be OUTSIDE the path of the "oil" (or, if you must, ink, although I don't think that works - again, it would dilute, as you said, until there was nothing more than a TRACE of ink, but no real ink to speak of)...

What I'm trying to say is that if it was/is a TRUE vacuum... nothing (that WE know of) could penetrate it, but ONLY push it, but whatever IS pushing it (air/ink) would be pushing it INTO what? Because if the universe IS expanding and NOT pushing the vacuum INTO something OUTSIDE of it, then it is expanding in pretty much one direction and not in ALL directions, as the current "big bang" (and "ripple effect") theory suggests. If it is expanding in all directions, then it is making a "hole" in space which "hole" will have to reach it limits, if there is nothing OUTSIDE of the vacuum.

If, however, there was something that WAS able to PENETRATE the vaccum... so that the "air/ink" CAN come in and... expand... heck, disperse... WITHIN the vacuum... then that means there is something OUTSIDE of the vacuum. Something, perhaps, like another "universe"?

Which is what I saw: what is HERE, coming FROM "there"... after a "doorway/portal/entry" was made... by the "light", a tiny but VERY powerful "piece" of energy, but energy far, far beyond that WE know of in THIS world. Even as to stars...

But it's all quite scientific to ME; not one iota of religion involved. Spirit(uality)? Oh, yes. Religion. Nope. Nowhere to be found in what I was shown.

So, as you can see I am more than willing to discuss the "big bang" - even "what" it was (although, I would offer that it was what related to a "who"... and how)... because it IS a VERY worthy topic, IMHO.

Let me know if you care to continue. If not, no worries. I promise NOT to get "religious" on you, but I cannot promise that what is shared won't be spiritual (only, not as to phantoms, ghosts, zephyrs, and such).

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Good form, dear Char.

Peace to you (and thank you)!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

The very nature of a vacuum means there is nothing to push against. There is no resistance. This is why a brick and a feather fall at the same rate inside of a vacuum. There is no air resistance to push back against the objects and the objects have nothing to push against.

If you inject a small amount of water into a vacuum chamber it pretty much turns into gaseous form right away. This is because of lack of pressure. The water and ink analogy is to give a visual example of the concept. Water has mass. Water is comprised of oxygen and hydrogen atoms which are constantly moving about. The dye within the ink moves in between all the empty gaps around the water molecules. Take a bag of marbles(water) and add some flour(dye) and shake. After awhile the flour coats all the marbles. It fills in all the empty space. There is a lot of empty space inside everything.
If you add one cup of alcohol to one cup of water you do not end up with two cups of combined liquid. This is because of all the space that is between molecules.

This is all conjecture in my part. Yes the quantum tunneling can be a type of warp in space. It's possible that in another reality/dimension a black hole exists which has pulled in so much matter that the intense gravity pierced space and all the matter from the black hole then exploded into our reality/dimension. One thing that I cannot explain at the moment is why the acceleration of the univer is increasing.

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No worries, Char!!

Peace,

tammy

So, the vacuum is space, which is NOT expanding... and the "air/ink" is the universe which IS expanding IN space, dear Pup (peace to you!)? Which I don't disagree with but am just asking (again, I think).

The "vacuum" (space) is a kind of plasma, which the universe (ink) is dispersing into. Got it.

May I ask, again just so I am clear: my understanding is that there is nothing in a vacuum... not even air. Not even dust. If that's the case (and I could be wrong), HOW, again, did the "air/ink" git INTO the vacuum... and/or from where?

Forgive me, I'm really trying to understand and I can't seem to see where you posted that (in a way that's clear to me although perhaps metaphorically).

THANK you... and, again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Now that we have that down

As for how air, matter, etc got into this vacuum of space, as posted before, one possible method is via another dimension or plane of existence. Perhaps enough energy occurred in this other dimension that it spilled over into ours.

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one possible method is via another dimension or plane of existence. Perhaps enough energy occurred in this other dimension that it spilled over into ours.

OKAY!! Sorry I missed that somehow (peace to you, Dawg!). Could another "possible method" be that something IS "outside" of the vacuum/(bowl of) plasma... and somehow, had enough energy to create a force SO powerful... it DID punch a hole in...creating a "leak"... through which the air/ink DID come?

I realize, given the vastness of our universe... and the space beyond it... that to wrap one's mind around the possibility of something even bigger (because it would HAVE to be, yes, to be OUTSIDE?)... might be difficult. Not that something IS bigger; as being outside does not necessarily mean bigger (as we measure "size" - which we do based on the laws of our universe that measure pursuant physical mass, even down to atoms, protons, neutrons, quarks, etc.).

Just outside, though, perhaps even dimensionally... such dimension actually even being much smaller, infinitesimally so... but not limited because there is no physical mass... and so no laws (of physics, etc.) that relate to such. So that, while nothing here can occupy the same space at the same time... anything and everything there can... and does. Simultaneously occupies the same, tiny, space. Yet, there is much, much... much more there, than here.

And all stable... until at one point one tiny little part is made unstable (notice I didn't say "becomes")...

Oh, wait... I'm rambling...

Just some thoughts, dear Pup. Nothing definitive...

Ennywho, thanks for this last part. Does make what you're saying a bit clearer, yes.

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Yes

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Also, I could be wrong, dear Pup (mornin' and peace to you!), but I think I read somewhere that things are known to expand and grow larger INSIDE a vacuum, yes? Which, if true, suggests that, logically they contract/are smaller OUTSIDE [a vacuum]? If there is an outside, of course...

Just trying to make sense of/articulate what I saw and discerned ("outside") as a result...

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama