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Interestingly a new member in jehovahs-witness.net (joined 9 days ago) started vehemently supporting the Zionists' invasion in Gaza. She is using the well known propaganda that the Palestinians were tenants and that the Israelis bought the land...

Sounds familiar LOL

I have been reading up on that after a certain person on this forum started stating "facts" like how they are lazy and dirty about the Palestinians. I have done nothing but research on this subject for 3 weeks because I wanted to know both sides of this horrible long conflict. WELL my conclusion is that the Palestinians are being horribly mistreated and misunderstood. They owned the land and were not tenants, no one bought the land from them either, it was taken and the land given to them is occupied and controlled by Israel. They can't move without being policed and harassed, shot, killed and imprisoned. They have no rights and are not allowed into any area that is "owned" by the Israelis even if it was their place before but taken over by Israel for Jewish settlements. Israel takes the choicest places from them and then builds walls to separate themselves from the original Palestinian owners. They have soldiers at these places ready to shoot if anyone crosses the green line. Its worse than I ever imagined.

I read this book written by Miko Peled who is a Israeli Jew and he is from a Zionist family in Jerusalem. His Father was a very prominent General in the Israeli army. He was involved in 1948 when it became a state, he was involved in the Egyptian war and the 1967 6 day war. He saw what was going on with Gaza and tried to make peace with them and the PLO but to no avail so he resigned. Miko moved to USA but returned to Jerusalem often to visit family. His 14 year old niece was killed by Palestinian suicide bombers in Jerusalem and that's when he started researching the problem which resulted in this book and his story.

A must read if you want to hear about both sides of the conflict.
Here is the synopsis and link to the book. He also lectures all over the USA and he seems to be a very nice humble man.


In 1997, a tragedy struck the family of Israeli-American Miko Peled: His beloved niece Smadar was killed by a suicide bomber in Jerusalem. That tragedy propelled Peled onto a journey of discovery. It pushed him to re-examine many of the beliefs he had grown up with, as the son and grandson of leading figures in Israel's political-military elite, and transformed him into a courageous and visionary activist in the struggle for human rights and a hopeful, lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Esteemed African-American author Alice Walker has contributed a very moving and thoughtful Foreword to The General's Son.
The journey that Peled traces in this groundbreaking memoir echoed the trajectory taken 40 years earlier by his father, renowned Israeli general Matti Peled. In The General's Son, Miko Peled tells us about growing up in Jerusalem in the heart of the group that ruled the then-young country, Israel. He takes us with him through his service in the country's military and his subsequent global travels... and then, after his niece's killing, back into the heart of Israel's conflict with the Palestinians. The book provides a compelling and intimate window into the fears that haunt both peoples-- but also into the real courage of all those who, like Miko Peled, have been pursuing a steadfast grassroots struggle for equality for all the residents of the Holy Land.

http://www.amazon.com/Generals-Son-Journey-Israeli-Palestine-ebook/dp/B00B5NP808/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407678048&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Generals+son

I checked out the thread you are talking about Anomos LOL. OMG!

She sure does have her information one sided. After my research I realize just how wrong the stuff she thinks she knows is. Totally one sided.

She said this on the other forum yesterday among a LOT more but thought this was a dig at this forum.

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Sigh.

Thanks, dear Zoe ( mornin' and peace to you! )

Here's the thing:

1. Many modern day Jews are NOT actually Jews by blood but due to their ancestors having been servants of Jews/converts.

2. Since there supposedly are NO living descendants of the 10-tribes, there is no scientific way to TRULY track the genome. Even so, both Jews and MUSLIMS claim a descendant from ABRAHAM. And THAT genome can't be proven... which is the one that MATTERS. Yet, most JEWS deny that brotherhood (Muslims do not but consider Jews infidels). Thing is, Christ REFUTED the descendancy from ABRAHAM... claimed by the first century Jewish LEADERS.

3. The land of Palestine WAS the name given by the GREEKS (not Rome/Latin) to the lands that... wait for it... WERE OCCUPIED BY THE PHILISTINES (c. 800-400 BCE!). The term was used by the Greeks long before they became a world power then GIVEN to the Philistines by them as the world power (perhaps similarly as the "States" of "Israel" and "Palestine" were "given/established" in 1947). In THAT light, we have some things... truths... to consider:

a. THESE "arabs" are not Philistines, as THEIR claim to the land only goes back to the 12th century CE; and

b. If they ARE Philistines... then they have even MORE right to the land by MAN'S laws than the Israelis. Why? Because (1) they occupied it FIRST, (2) then lost it to David, (3) then gained it BACK... when JAH REJECTED Israel... allowing the Philistines to capture the ARK (of the Covenant) then be exiled into BABYLON... at which time BOTH came under Chaldean rule. While Israel WAS permitted to go back an rebuild Jerusalem under Medo-Persian rule... Jerusalem was allowed... BY GOD... to be conquered AGAIN... by Rome. (See, http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... Philistine)

c. ALL of the Jews IN Jerusalem at the time of its destruction by Rome... we're killed. Every last man, woman, and child. IF there were any PHILISTINES, either THEY sided with the Jews... and we're killed TOO... or they sided with Rome... in which case they were given BACK the land.

d. If they were given BACK the land (by the world power at THAT time)... then, by MAN'S law it is their's until the land is conquered/given by ANOTHER world power. And that's what happened in 1947.

e. Problem is... that last world power... Britain/US/UN... gave the land to BOTH: the Jews... AND the Palestinians. And now the Jews are OVERSTEPPING... and trying to TAKE what was NOT given them. By God... OR man. And MANY of them are doing so pursuant to a claim that GOD GAVE the Jews the land (yet, He gave it to ALL of Israel... 12 tribes not 2)... while professing to be ATHEISTS. Their claim is that they don't believe in GOD; they believe in LAW. Which is why so many are LAWYERS. They use their "knowledge" however, just much to find loopholes and CIRCUMVENT law as they do to CREATE and UPHOLD it.

And they... Zionists... are doing that now, in this case. They have U.S. and UK support... because of the LAWS... THEY write! One learns these things in law school.

Because if the history of oppression against Jews that poor poster "girl" is caught up in racial and ethnic loyalty and so is more concerned with THAT than with TRUTH. Much like a lot of my people can be. So I GET it.

But just like black people can't blame EVERYTHING on the white man... some of today's Jews need to stop acting as if their hands are clean. The truth is... they seldom have been. Which is the REAL reason why they're often disliked so (EVEN. by JAH... who LOVES them but doesn't always LIKE them, as the Writings show)... and NOT because they're God’s people. It is those who accept and become part of CHRIST who our persecuted for being God's people. Others are often just reaping what they SOW.

Not always... but often. Including some of my people (the white man didn't tell you to join a gang, do a drive by and kill some baby so that now your assistance is doing life, so tell your mama, who should'a got off HER ass, finished school, got a job and got YOUR ass outta "da' hood" to STOP cryin' - SHE don't GET to cry - only the baby who died's mama gets to cry. And no I don't regret one word of saying that).

You did your research, dear Zoe. Trust it.

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

It's come to the oppressed oppressing in the case of the Israeli conflict. I read that book The General's son and I was in shock at what the Israeli army soldiers were doing to the Palestinian civilians. It was even worse than what was done to them by the Nazi's.

Miko Peled went to Palestine and became friends with many Palestinian people, many who are dedicated to peaceful activism for their rights. The stories are incredible as to what life is like for them.
One of the men had almost his whole family murdered by the Israeli soldiers right after the 6 day war. A group of soldiers walked into their village, forced everyone out of their homes, they separated the women and small children from the men and older boys. They took the men out of eye range from the women, lined them up (about 30 of them) shot them all, then the commander went and shot each one of them again 2x in the head with a handgun. One was a 87 year old man and another was a 13 year old boy. Then they lined the dead men up in a row and had this huge bulldozer they had brought with them run over them over and over again.

Yes, dear Zoe (peace to you!)!!!!

Palestinian people, many who are dedicated to peaceful activism for their rights.

Something I've TRIED to tell folks for some time, dear lady: I know MANY Muslims and NONE of them have ever showed ME any harm or oppression, UNLIKE many Americans (both white AND black)... and some Jews. Even MORE... my Lord DIDN'T condemn Muslims! Or ANY other religion other than Judaism! Rather, he said... of NON-Jews/Israelites:

"When people of the nations... DO... BY NATURE,,, the things OF the LAW... they ARE a law... UNTO THEMSELVES."

And Muslims, more than any other people... do the things of the Law. Even still restraining from pork, alcohol, etc. I don't mean the fanatics; I mean the PEACEFUL people of Islam, those who PROVE they are ALSO Abraham's seed, through Ishmael.

My Lord's CONCERN, however, was with ISRAEL, who CLAIMED to be the seed of Abraham and people of God.,, but whose WORKS belied that claim. As it's doing... for some Jews, not all... TODAY.

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shel